EDMUNDS shootout: Camaro vs. Mustang vs. Challenger!!!

[Camaro Fan]

Originally Posted by yotaman96

Anyone notice that they called the Challenger a Charger in the video?

Once you get inside it's probably easy to forget which Chrysler you're in from the sound of it... So an easy mistake to make? lol

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

No...I dont have that in my car, but guys have tested the accuracy of them and they are very accurate.

I used a G-tech to get the 0 to 60 time

what pitch factor do you use?

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

what pitch factor do you use?

Its my friends so I have no idea what pitch factor he used.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Its my friends so I have no idea what pitch factor he used.

I have my gtech dialed in using datalogs and the track and I still think there's way too many variables to say exactly.

[camaro5]

Here's what I take from this:

But there can only be one winner, and the Camaro SS is clearly that. No longer does it have to apologize for its performance with a bang-for-the-buck cop-out — though it handily snatches that crown, too. It packs a talented chassis, performance and, yes, attitude at a price within the reach of working-class stiffs.

There's little more to be said than the Camaro is back. In a big way. And SS once again truly means Super Sport.

[AngryAmish]

Originally Posted by garagelogic

Hmmmm...one might also wonder why both GM and Chrysler have taken tax money to keep them afloat whereas Ford has not.

I'll tell you why. At least in GM's case. GM has been spending a pretty penny developing some interesting products. Count the Volt among them. The Spoils of that will play out shortly, but not short enough that fans of GM don't have to worry.

Ford on the other hand has been putting a bunch of new lipstick on old pigs.
Its a cost effective way to do short term business. In the long term it will lose you customers.

Aside from the Taurus SHO and the new Mustang, not alot is going on over there. At least not alot thats exciting me. As impressive as the 2010 Mustang's handling was, there is not alot more you can do with this car. Sooner or later they need a redesign, and then they will be wishing they took that money. It is afterall a three car market now. They can't sit on their hands and rake in cash anymore.


Enough of that though. I was mostly posting to say how impressed I was with the handling of the Mustang with the track pack. Very impressed with what they are doing with their live axle.

I was kind of wondering...how much if any of the Mustangs weight advantage is gained by using a live axle instead of an IRS? I'm just sayin', it might be this car performs BETTER with a live axle because of the engine-- if an IRS adds a significant amount of weight.

I know alot of you are completely against a live axle, and I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I'm just saying it might have its benefits as well. It probably kept them in this race until they have a motor to compete with the LS3.

[eddiehaskell]

"We are the champions, my firends....."

[fdjizm]

eddie u singing my song baby!!! wooo hooo

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by AngryAmish

I'll tell you why. At least in GM's case. GM has been spending a pretty penny developing some interesting products. Count the Volt among them. The Spoils of that will play out shortly, but not short enough that fans of GM don't have to worry.

Ford on the other hand has been putting a bunch of new lipstick on old pigs.
Its a cost effective way to do short term business. In the long term it will lose you customers.

Aside from the Taurus SHO and the new Mustang, not alot is going on over there. At least not alot thats exciting me. As impressive as the 2010 Mustang's handling was, there is not alot more you can do with this car. Sooner or later they need a redesign, and then they will be wishing they took that money. It is afterall a three car market now. They can't sit on their hands and rake in cash anymore.


Enough of that though. I was mostly posting to say how impressed I was with the handling of the Mustang with the track pack. Very impressed with what they are doing with their live axle.

I was kind of wondering...how much if any of the Mustangs weight advantage is gained by using a live axle instead of an IRS? I'm just sayin', it might be this car performs BETTER with a live axle because of the engine-- if an IRS adds a significant amount of weight.

I know alot of you are completely against a live axle, and I'm not here to convince you otherwise. I'm just saying it might have its benefits as well. It probably kept them in this race until they have a motor to compete with the LS3.

I've heard that IRS adds 200lbs. The S197 chassis was originally designed for an IRS but at the last minute the decided to stick with the live axle. I think it had to do with production costs and weight.

[Rock36]

I'm not surprised that the camaro comes out on top here. I actually respect edmunds reviews more than the big three auto mags anyway.

As a mustang owner that has a healthy respect for the competition, I am very pleased that live rear-axled Mustang is good enough to be a drivers race with the IRS equiped Camaro.


It just validates my personal feelings that just because a setup is high tech doesn't guarantee success over low-tech.

GM fans should be familiar with this when critics come saying that pushrod engines are "ancient" We all know that pushrods are as relevant and capable as they have ever been.

[eddiehaskell]

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by eddiehaskell

You've got to consider though - the Camaro doesn't offer a track pack. The Camaro that was tested has GM's bread and butter V8 suspension that everyone who buys a V8 will get. The Mustang had the optional track pack added to it.

A better comparison would be V8 Camaro vs non-track pack Mustang GT - these are the suspensions that most people will get.

Without the track pack, I think the Mustang will be more closer to a V6 Camaro competitor rather than a SS competitor.

but since the camaro's suspension is "light years" ahead isnt it essentially a track pack in itself? i mean our crappy sra vs a light years ahead IRS is already a weakness right? so how can you really put down the track pack?

[Georgie]

its not a bread and butter suspension though: the camaro SS is engineered from the ground up to be a performer. the stock SS has brembos exactly because the SS targets enthusiats, which is the same demographic the track pack targets. the comparisons are spot on fair, enthusiast vehicle to enthusiast vehicle, in the same price range.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by Georgie

its not a bread and butter suspension though: the camaro SS is engineered from the ground up to be a performer. the stock SS has brembos exactly because the SS targets enthusiats, which is the same demographic the track pack targets. the comparison are spot on fair, enthusiast vehicle to enthusiast vehicle, in the same price range.

yes exactly so doesnt the ss already have a "track pack" ?