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dcosta · 08-12-2011, 11:38 AM

Let me see if this will make sense to anyone....

I have two cars,the coupe and the convertible and also have owned the v6 auto.The coupe is a auto and the convertible is a stick.I also owned the coupe stick all SS except the v6.

Now what you are looking for is raw power torque to lite these tires up.
This is not going to happen unless you have a tune or a supercharger.
These cars do not have enough torque or horse power to get this done with these tires with out alittle help like dropping the clutch or holding the brake just alittle on the automatic.When you get this car into the higher RPM'S..Hang ON!!!!!
These tires new grip pretty good.Don't get me wrong this car is one of the best cars
I have ever had that drove this nice with this much power.
I race cars and have built alot of race engines and know alittle bit about what chevy has done with this car.
This car with alittle work and money can burn the tires off of it.
But with these gears and numbers this car is putting out.. what it is... Is what it is.
Now If you know how to drive these cars they will scare the hell out of you.
Once you get these tires to break loose ...hold on because it will cause most people to sh..t their pants and some may even wreck it..
If you were to hold the brake just alittle and floor it or just get the tires spinning it will set you back in the seat and go side ways all the way down the street if you do it correctly.every one here knows what I am talking about.
same with the stick,if you know how to raise the rpm and drop the clutch this car will do the same.
I really should'nt say drop the clutch because thats not really what you want to do.People that know how to do this knows what i mean.You get a feel for it after a while.

One note the more these tires wear down the easyer it will be to do what you want,But be careful,If this car gets away from you..Hold on..

.....I hope this helps...Oh almost forgot..These cars have to have the higher octane.They are a real dog with out it...

htron50 · 08-12-2011, 11:49 AM

Back in the old days we were told to take it up to 1get on it and take it to 100 mph the first week! Teach/train the engine to operate per your commands and get used to it. It does sound like you have a poor factory tune to me. Like something is not right. It should squeel all you want it to.

rjtssvert · 08-12-2011, 04:09 PM

I have an automatic, with the traction control and stabiltrac turned off and in manual mode I can start with a little bit of brake torque and it will lite em up pretty good. First time I did it I did not expect the the rear end to snap to the left shifting in to second gear. It pretty much lit em up thru first and second gear,my only mods are cold air intake and magnaflow catback.

Convert-11 · 08-12-2011, 06:26 PM

Thank you all again for the comments. I was able to get the back end to brake loose once while exiting my driveway, which is significantly slopped downward. Cooler day so the driveway black top was slicker and the incline allowed the tires to brake lose and I was sideways for 20+' until I let off as to not hit the neighbors mailbox. That's what I am looking for when I want it.

Received an e-mail from the dealer today that he heard back from the Regional Tech guy and there are some system checks they plan to do. However, from all that I am hearing it is what it is. The auto vert just wasn't meant to break loose w/o mods. I must say that my dealer has worked hard to try to assist me!

Dealer comments:
Good morning, I had made a call to GM tech assist center and there are a few test we can run to see if controls and sensors fall within spec. I would need to have vehicle dropped so we can run these tests and play phone tag with GM tech assist. If you need a loaner vehicle I can arrange that.... As to what the blogs are saying I can only perform repairs that GM has documents on or advised to do. I am not sure what the last blog because the traction control will kick in and not allow tire spin for 20' without setting codes or shutting down wheel speed.

1BADZL1 · 08-12-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Convert-11

I was sideways for 20+' until I let off as to not hit the neighbors mailbox. That's what I am looking for when I want it.

As Decosta was saying above to be able to stomp the throttle at will from a dead stop with this heavy car and SUV tires you are going to need a little help my friend. I do not really expect my 2012 ZL1 with supercharger to be able to do this. You need raw bottom end torque and horse power to achieve this.
Some of these will help. I am no "Pro" racer but any means and not bragging either but I have had 14 camaros from 9 First gens with both big block and small block, and second gens, and third and fourth gen camaros and Fbodys.
Lower rear end ratio, smaller tires, a tune, NOS, super charger, a lite foot on the brake pedal when power braking (you only hold the brake tight enough to get the ass end to raise a bit, floor it, then once you get the tires smokin' then let off the brake. It is a technique involved in doing it.) higher ocane gas, super fuel or 100+ Octane, etc. But to be honest, you are doing everything most dont want to do! Breaking the tires loose does nothing in itself but wear out costly tires. You goal should be able to get from point A to point B in a short amount of time.

Oh, and one I forgot about.... neutral drop......
I do not recommend a neutral drop....
A neutral drop is start off in neutral, get your RPMs to about 5-6 grand and pull the shifter down into drive. I guarantee it will squall the tires unless chevy has installed something to circumvent this, but I do know off hand what that could be but I am quite sure whatever it is it could be by passed by unplugging or removing a fuse.

Convert-11 · 08-12-2011, 11:00 PM

A tuner I spoke w/ said the auto's will not do a neutral drop- computer won't allow it. I would not consider this as I think this would be abusing my ride. I am going to try the 1/4 down to get a slow roll and then hammer it. Weirdly I have noticed that it has better accelleration when I don't put it to the floor- Full throttle creates lag.

1BADZL1 · 08-13-2011, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Convert-11

Full throttle creates lag.

Something don't sound right. Sounds like you might need to get it on a dyno and see what its actually doing with the numbers. Good Luck keep us posted.

bulllett · 08-13-2011, 09:52 AM

Butt dyno's lose calibration over time in the same vehicle. Get thee to a dyno and do a couple of pulls.

Now that doesn't mean that you may not have a problem with your torque converter etc. I mean you are talking about straight hook-up. But at least you will have hard cold numbers iun front of you to start with.

epkmvuoq · 08-14-2011, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiberious

Not knowing anything about the MAF nor how much it'd cost or how hard to install, I'm having to plead ignorance across the board. I did do the fuse pull overnight but saw no real difference so I'm not sanguine about easy fixes....this may resolve the OP problem and others however....... I'd like to hear more!

Tib

Fuse pull on a manual makes no difference,, only the auto.

Without Remorse · 08-14-2011, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epkmvuoq

Fuse pull on a manual makes no difference,, only the auto.

There are plenty of LS3's in fuse pull thread that claim differently, although I'm not one of them.

plan-b · 08-14-2011, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epkmvuoq

Fuse pull on a manual makes no difference,, only the auto.

Depends on what fuses you're pulling. The well documented #5 & #20 fuse pull for SS models affects how the ECU applies the octane map and is not transmission specific.

Rafael12104 · 08-14-2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plan-b

Depends on what fuses you're pulling. The well documented #5 & #20 fuse pull for SS models affects how the ECU applies the octane map and is not transmission specific.

Cool. Where can we find more info on this?

Without Remorse · 08-14-2011, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafael12104

Cool. Where can we find more info on this?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38964

That should keep you busy for a while....

epkmvuoq · 08-23-2011, 09:03 PM

Being a service manager i deal with chevy technical assistance every day. I have been told more than 10 times that the fuse pull does not work on a m6. There is a service bulletin on the fuse pull and states AUTO ONLY.

08-12-2011, 11:38 AM	#71
dcosta Drives: 17 ZL1 6M Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: peoria,az Posts: 204 View My Garage	Let me see if this will make sense to anyone.... I have two cars,the coupe and the convertible and also have owned the v6 auto.The coupe is a auto and the convertible is a stick.I also owned the coupe stick all SS except the v6. Now what you are looking for is raw power torque to lite these tires up. This is not going to happen unless you have a tune or a supercharger. These cars do not have enough torque or horse power to get this done with these tires with out alittle help like dropping the clutch or holding the brake just alittle on the automatic.When you get this car into the higher RPM'S..Hang ON!!!!! These tires new grip pretty good.Don't get me wrong this car is one of the best cars I have ever had that drove this nice with this much power. I race cars and have built alot of race engines and know alittle bit about what chevy has done with this car. This car with alittle work and money can burn the tires off of it. But with these gears and numbers this car is putting out.. what it is... Is what it is. Now If you know how to drive these cars they will scare the hell out of you. Once you get these tires to break loose ...hold on because it will cause most people to sh..t their pants and some may even wreck it.. If you were to hold the brake just alittle and floor it or just get the tires spinning it will set you back in the seat and go side ways all the way down the street if you do it correctly.every one here knows what I am talking about. same with the stick,if you know how to raise the rpm and drop the clutch this car will do the same. I really should'nt say drop the clutch because thats not really what you want to do.People that know how to do this knows what i mean.You get a feel for it after a while. One note the more these tires wear down the easyer it will be to do what you want,But be careful,If this car gets away from you..Hold on.......I hope this helps...Oh almost forgot..These cars have to have the higher octane.They are a real dog with out it... Last edited by dcosta; 08-12-2011 at 04:53 PM.

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08-12-2011, 11:49 AM	#72
htron50 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Status "Thank You!" Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,498	Back in the old days we were told to take it up to 1get on it and take it to 100 mph the first week! Teach/train the engine to operate per your commands and get used to it. It does sound like you have a poor factory tune to me. Like something is not right. It should squeel all you want it to.

08-12-2011, 04:09 PM	#73
rjtssvert Drives: 2011 2ss rs convertible Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: West chicago Posts: 50	I have an automatic, with the traction control and stabiltrac turned off and in manual mode I can start with a little bit of brake torque and it will lite em up pretty good. First time I did it I did not expect the the rear end to snap to the left shifting in to second gear. It pretty much lit em up thru first and second gear,my only mods are cold air intake and magnaflow catback.

08-12-2011, 06:26 PM	#74
Convert-11 Drives: 2011 Convertible Camaro 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: MN Posts: 145	Thank you all again for the comments. I was able to get the back end to brake loose once while exiting my driveway, which is significantly slopped downward. Cooler day so the driveway black top was slicker and the incline allowed the tires to brake lose and I was sideways for 20+' until I let off as to not hit the neighbors mailbox. That's what I am looking for when I want it. Received an e-mail from the dealer today that he heard back from the Regional Tech guy and there are some system checks they plan to do. However, from all that I am hearing it is what it is. The auto vert just wasn't meant to break loose w/o mods. I must say that my dealer has worked hard to try to assist me! Dealer comments: Good morning, I had made a call to GM tech assist center and there are a few test we can run to see if controls and sensors fall within spec. I would need to have vehicle dropped so we can run these tests and play phone tag with GM tech assist. If you need a loaner vehicle I can arrange that.... As to what the blogs are saying I can only perform repairs that GM has documents on or advised to do. I am not sure what the last blog because the traction control will kick in and not allow tire spin for 20' without setting codes or shutting down wheel speed.

08-12-2011, 11:00 PM	#76
Convert-11 Drives: 2011 Convertible Camaro 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: MN Posts: 145	A tuner I spoke w/ said the auto's will not do a neutral drop- computer won't allow it. I would not consider this as I think this would be abusing my ride. I am going to try the 1/4 down to get a slow roll and then hammer it. Weirdly I have noticed that it has better accelleration when I don't put it to the floor- Full throttle creates lag.

08-13-2011, 09:52 AM	#78
bulllett Drives: 2012 Camaro Convertible Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: East Hampton, CT Posts: 421	Butt dyno's lose calibration over time in the same vehicle. Get thee to a dyno and do a couple of pulls. Now that doesn't mean that you may not have a problem with your torque converter etc. I mean you are talking about straight hook-up. But at least you will have hard cold numbers iun front of you to start with.

08-23-2011, 09:03 PM	#84
epkmvuoq Drives: 2ss red m6 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: grosse tete Posts: 215	Being a service manager i deal with chevy technical assistance every day. I have been told more than 10 times that the fuse pull does not work on a m6. There is a service bulletin on the fuse pull and states AUTO ONLY.