Color Poll..are the colors good enough?

[Scarrzz]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I only wish I had a camera -- scratch that - I wish I had someone following me around with a camera.... -- because the picture simply does not reflect accurately how magnificently God had painted the sky that evening.

I have two Nikons, a Canon, and lots of time. Just sayin'

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I only wish I had a camera -- scratch that - I wish I had someone following me around with a camera.... -- because the picture simply does not reflect accurately how magnificently God had painted the sky that evening.....and I took the picture purposely with the Camaro to the left of the picture - thinking that the right side would allow me to add a script.......

Scott, I feel certain "moments" such as the one you described were created for a reason. You certainly saw the meaning of the moment and captured it for all to see. Thanks for sharing that with us all. Very cool!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Scarrzz

I have two Nikons, a Canon, and lots of time. Just sayin'

One for you Scarrzz....

If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together
for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
Everything looks worse
in black and white.... Kodachrome: Paul Simon

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

The sky reminded me of a color we offered wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back in 1965 --
......."Evening Orchid"...........a one year color..........

Here's an example --

[2012ZL1]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

You are absolutely correct. Most people will ALWAYS think that way.

I don't care what car or truck it is - and what color pallette you put in place - you will ALWAYS get the same comments.

That is one of my points that I've been trying to make.......Color is subjective.......and I guarantee you that if I could magically wave a wand

(and I can't by the way - I don't have anything to do with color selection other than I'm asked my opinion - )


....and change all 10 colors to something else - (or if YOU chose 10 colors -- or little boy blue and the man in the moon chose 10 colors -- ) we would STILL get the same comments - because you see - each of us looks at color subjectively - the studies on color are absolutely FASCINATING -- esp. as to what turns people OFF about a color or a shading......

(me? show me a shimmering red metallic that has fire in it and I'm off in the clouds somewhere - just love it - BUT - I don't know that I'd order a Camaro in said color**......)

So - yup - no matter what we do - even if we were to increase the color pallette to 20 colors -- we will still have someone say (in so many words)

"..........the color choices are awful because you don't offer *insert your favorite color of all time here*......"


See what I'm saying????


(....and no, I'm not going to beat you..........)

(........unless you buy a Mustang, perhaps.....


Now to the ** part......

I went thru a couple of sessions on color - one at GM Design Studio that one must go thru to ensure that you are not color blind and that you can 'sense' very subtle color variances - (I went thru it at he same time Cheryl did - long story, but we were both judged to be 'experts'...) --

Another session was with a color expert in New York.......it's a mulit-hour session where you look at various colors and objects and lighting - and you are taken back in time, so to speak - to figure out WHY you love certain shades and colors.....now - my mention of a dark firey red - seems that I link it to a couple of things: - Red Soda, red hard candy, a cheer leader's uniform, red blinking lights found on carnival rides, and red metallic in a drum set........all of this in my subconscious........

...and each of us has this "color memory" - and we have it for all colors and shades - some memories are great - others are so-so - and others can actually cause bad memories.......

As I said - color is NEVER objective - it's SUBJECTIVE -

OK to continue to discuss - I just ask that you realize that no matter what we do - we can't make all of you happy all of the time with all 10 colors.

Scott,
first off I appreciate your knowledge and insight and look forward to all of your posts like a kid at a candy store much like everyone else in Camaro world.
I am glad I don't get a beating or a bunch of suburbans followin...wait whats that out there..oh nevermind they drove off..
Anyway..I am glad that we can have discussions like this because its the Camaro that fuels this passion in all of us. If I'm being a bit of a broken record or thorn in your side its only your car to blame!! .

I understand. and don't get me wrong, its the whole automotive industry that has gone to conservative colors.

Look at the colors posted in this thread available from other manufacturers to see that colors (or lack thereof) are kind of a lost art these days for vehicles.

Maybe its because of restrictions on voc compliant finishes, maybe its just a trend, I don't know.

I do know I am not color blind and I appreciate a full "range" of colors to satisfy a personalization perspective, rather than being upset about "my" color not being in the palette.
I mean, yes I WANT SGM..but if its not available, I'll probably go Victory red, which is also a color I like, but not my first choice.
I won't be a go or no go deciding factor in whether or not I purchase a ZL1, just limits my happiness a little.

I guess since much of my time is spent restoring musclecars, I am used to dealing with palettes from the 60's primarily, where a customer had 15 to 20 color choices, with the option of custom choices on an ordered car.

Maybe sometime a car manufacturer will see the personalization aspect of color choice other than purely a popularity contest limited to 5 or 6 colors.

You yourself stated color choice is subjective not objective, so as a manufacturer, go ahead, have some fun and just have at it and pick some bright colors sujectively, 'cause honestly that is the best way to choose colors.

Its not that I don't "like" all the colors offered, its just that lately they seem too limited and conservative, or too long in the tooth to permit personalization.

I get the white, black , red, silver. But on the other colors, Live a little. Drop the current yellow and orange , they had a run already and sub in some different colors for a year, then a couple more the next, etc.

I get the idea it may not be possible in this day and age of Car manufacturing to allow such personalization,I will be the first to admit, I am not an industry insider, nor do I know all the intricate details of car manufacturing, and I may be barking up a tree with nothing to bark at, but an exciting car like the ZL1 deserves at least one special mind blowingly bright color. The new Charcoal is kind of the idea, but I think a bright dazzling color would have been more appropriate IMHO. The charcoal is more Caddy than Camaro.

[GoldenBear]

For most of us on Camaro5 the Camaro is a passionate avocation that for many evokes feelings of the days of our youth when anything seemed possible, and a lot of things were, in fact, possible. Accordingly, we'd like to have the types and number of choices with respect to the Camaro that were available then available to us now.

However, we should remember that it is a very different world today, and that the Camaro for Chevrolet and GM is not an avocation but a vocation. GM is a for profit business that needs to earn a decent return for its shareholders, and, therefore, must make trades off with respect to many things, among which are the number and types of colors offered for the Camaro. For GM, painting a Camaro a given color is not just a matter of mixing some paint, putting the vehicle in a paint booth, and pulling the trigger on the sprayer. However, from some of the comments I've read on Camaro5, it would appear that some believe that it's almost that simple.

If color is truly that important to an individual, one can always spend the money to have one's Camaro painted the special color that one desires.

[2012ZL1]

Unfortunately It is cost prohibitive to re-paint properly. Its tacky and I could`easily tell its been done, therefore de-valuing the car by the amount spent plus the amount to return it to original color.
To repaint properly, the car would need to be reduced to a shell, chemically stripped, re-finished and reassembled with new fasteners, hardware and sealers.
While not impossible, Its `just not worth it.
The actual cost of materials and labor to paint is insignificant, Its just all the other labour involved.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Unfortunately It is cost prohibitive to re-paint properly. Its tacky and I could`easily tell its been done, therefore de-valuing the car by the amount spent plus the amount to return it to original color.
To repaint properly, the car would need to be reduced to a shell, chemically stripped, re-finished and reassembled with new fasteners, hardware and sealers.
While not impossible, Its `just not worth it.
The actual cost of materials and labor to paint is insignificant, Its just all the other labour involved.

After consideration, many, if not most, I believe, would probably come to the same conclusion that you did, and that having the car in one's desired color is not important enough to justify the cost of properly repainting the vehicle. The process of considering repainting may help put vehicle color in its proper relative priority.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Unfortunately It is cost prohibitive to re-paint properly. Its tacky and I could`easily tell its been done, therefore de-valuing the car by the amount spent plus the amount to return it to original color.
To repaint properly, the car would need to be reduced to a shell, chemically stripped, re-finished and reassembled with new fasteners, hardware and sealers.
While not impossible, Its `just not worth it.
The actual cost of materials and labor to paint is insignificant, Its just all the other labour involved.

you'd be surprised at the great job that Berger Chevy and Tom Henry Chevy have been able to do with repaints......

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

you'd be surprised at the great job that Berger Chevy and Tom Henry Chevy have been able to do with repaints......

I can attest to the quality of the Berger paint job, but the engine bay is still black (the original color). Everything else looks factory or better. I think it was about $6,000 - $8,000 or so as well, so not cheap.

[2012ZL1]

Are they disassembling them or doing a surface paint..are the trunks painted too, and engine compartment?

[29er]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Here's the Camaro color chart that many would apparently like to see. Ah, if things were only that simple.

WOW! what a selection!! i would go crazy over so many choices.. i see the zl1 in glacier blue poly-- kinda looks like supersonic blue on the vette
frost green would be my choice.
olympic gold would be the rare one..
lemans blue the old brother of abm..& hugger orange.
definetly i would have a hard time to choose..

fast forward to 2012 zl1.. hum
victory red?
no green..
yellow too pale..needs to be a shade darker
iom so flat..not enough intensity,no punch.
nothing else catches my mind.. zl1 need a flashy colors!!
sports car don't need funeral home car colors..

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Are they disassembling them or doing a surface paint..are the trunks painted too, and engine compartment?

Yes, most everything is disassembled within reason as I understand it. I’d have to look again but the only thing I’ve ever noticed as not painted was the engine bay but it doesn’t look bad as the car was originally black. Other than the color of the engine bay you would be hard pressed to tell it was done – looks factory or better. This was on a 4th gen, lemans blue and painted stripes. One of the best quality, factory looking paint jobs you'll likely get not from the factory but not cheap.

Here is a very bad picture, but the best I can do right now...

[2012ZL1]

Its interesting that on the color specific threads on the main forum, The Synergy green has 51 pages of posts, where even Victory Red (also a good color) has only 17.
Mebbee Green isn't so unpopular afterall....hint hint...lol