Maggie TVS2300 driving experiences....

[Dr Jkel]

SO if from a roll someone pulls up to you say a Mustang at 35, 45, 55 and you mash it you loose traction?

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

SO if from a roll someone pulls up to you say a Mustang at 35, 45, 55 and you mash it you loose traction?

If I have the computer full off I do -- but, I don't drive around like that, so usually no and I don't just mat it -- I roll in to the throttle.

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

If I have the computer full off I do -- but, I don't drive around like that, so usually no and I don't just mat it -- I roll in to the throttle.

I am not meaning to be a smart aleck, just asking for knowledge........My car is cammed right now with about 465 rwhp...I can mash it WOT from a roll and not loose traction but it seems from a higher roll say 35, 45, 55 I do not seem to go fast enough to hang with other cars or pass them say lighter Mustangs......

I never take T/C off etc... so that has not been an issue for me...so just wondering about the added power a S/C adds but if it is not functional then what good is it or is more displacement better?

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

I am not meaning to be a smart aleck, just asking for knowledge........My car is cammed right now with about 465 rwhp...I can mash it WOT from a roll and not loose traction but it seems from a higher roll say 35, 45, 55 I do not seem to go fast enough to hang with other cars or pass them say lighter Mustangs......

I never take T/C off etc... so that has not been an issue for me...so just wondering about the added power a S/C adds but if it is not functional then what good is it or is more displacement better?

I didn't take it as that.. no worries.

I'm sitting at 560 tire now, my TQ is 500+ from 2500 up through red line, so that tends to change up how my traction works from a cam only car.. I get damn near instant TQ and w/o the computer, it's all on me to manage. A friend of mine road in the car from a setup like yours and was definitely surprised at the differences between the two.

My power isn't all usable simply due to my tire setup -- stock. A better tire/wheel combo would change that up some -- but, there's still going to be a point where the friction between my tires and the road is going to be outdone by the power of the car -- that would be true of even a very large displacement engine with "all motor" power. -- This is where the Centry people talk up their side. Linear power over instant. You can mat it and have the power climb on you while you're accelerating. That way, you're not blowing the tires apart all the time. (not a dig on Centrys though, just a relevant talking point)

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

As far as traction goes....Do you lose traction from a roll if you go WOT...Say 35 pmh to 60mph or 45mph on up etc???

Yes.

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

With the computer full on, there's a slight chirp then I grab and go.

With Comp Mode on, there's more tire noise, but I do eventually grab and go

When the TCS/ST is full off -- It's a bit scary and I generally don't even do it on public roads unless it's a flat road, no ditch, no traffic and plenty of room on the sides for sliding.. But, I will definitely loose traction this way if I just mat it from 35. This way, the only idiot that gets hurt is me. I don't do this anywhere else as it's just not safe.

This is very accurate.

But I will add that if you keep your foot in it you can overcome the computer .. and yes, in 3rd merging on to the freeway when the tires come loose it is a little .... ... you do need to train yourself to be easy on the throttle in 1st through 3rd... at least on my car anyway. a couple times I've broke em loose in 4th but that's only happened on a cold or wet day.

but if you get out of it the computer will bring it back to a straight line pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

SO if from a roll someone pulls up to you say a Mustang at 35, 45, 55 and you mash it you loose traction?

in 2nd gear... yes... 3rd... depends on where you are with RPM's but anything abouve 3k... and yes, it is possible to toast em.

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

I am not meaning to be a smart aleck, just asking for knowledge........My car is cammed right now with about 465 rwhp...I can mash it WOT from a roll and not loose traction but it seems from a higher roll say 35, 45, 55 I do not seem to go fast enough to hang with other cars or pass them say lighter Mustangs......

I never take T/C off etc... so that has not been an issue for me...so just wondering about the added power a S/C adds but if it is not functional then what good is it or is more displacement better?

you will notice the power of the maggie much better from a roll it just pulls like a train but keep your head on straight. because at WOT through 3rd... you are able to break em loose... not do a rolling burnout like you can in 1st and 2nd... but you can spin em.

In this vid I was on stock suspension and got a little wheel hop... I was trying not to spin the tires... I launched at a little over 2k I think...

But the flyby is where you can hear the maggie whine...

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

I didn't take it as that.. no worries.

I'm sitting at 560 tire now, my TQ is 500+ from 2500 up through red line, so that tends to change up how my traction works from a cam only car.. I get damn near instant TQ and w/o the computer, it's all on me to manage. A friend of mine road in the car from a setup like yours and was definitely surprised at the differences between the two.

My power isn't all usable simply due to my tire setup -- stock. A better tire/wheel combo would change that up some -- but, there's still going to be a point where the friction between my tires and the road is going to be outdone by the power of the car -- that would be true of even a very large displacement engine with "all motor" power. -- This is where the Centry people talk up their side. Linear power over instant. You can mat it and have the power climb on you while you're accelerating. That way, you're not blowing the tires apart all the time. (not a dig on Centrys though, just a relevant talking point)

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Yes.



This is very accurate.

But I will add that if you keep your foot in it you can overcome the computer .. and yes, in 3rd merging on to the freeway when the tires come loose it is a little .... ... you do need to train yourself to be easy on the throttle in 1st through 3rd... at least on my car anyway. a couple times I've broke em loose in 4th but that's only happened on a cold or wet day.

but if you get out of it the computer will bring it back to a straight line pretty quickly.



in 2nd gear... yes... 3rd... depends on where you are with RPM's but anything abouve 3k... and yes, it is possible to toast em.



you will notice the power of the maggie much better from a roll it just pulls like a train but keep your head on straight. because at WOT through 3rd... you are able to break em loose... not do a rolling burnout like you can in 1st and 2nd... but you can spin em.

In this vid I was on stock suspension and got a little wheel hop... I was trying not to spin the tires... I launched at a little over 2k I think...

But the flyby is where you can hear the maggie whine...

Ok case and point and really the reason I am asking....Last weekend during Interstate driving a 2001 Mustang pulled up besides me about 65ish and left me...I did not attempt to follow........9 miles down the road, a clear interstate, a plenty of straight road he was back up beside me and from 55 mph he pulled me.............This feeling I did not like at all..It wasn't instant power like spray but a continuous pulling away from me. I think he had an automatic tranny.

This is really the first time I have ever gotten on my car like this...... but I did not lose traction..maybe he got me on the jump I have no idea but I do know I could not catch him...It may have been different if we started from zero but I have no idea.....

So I have looked in to S/C again to rectify this situation....numbers are great 465rwhp but if you can not go fast enough it is not good to me...on the same token if you have 665 and you slip and spin then it is also not good.


Chris when you took off in the video you had a little wheel hop but seems to take off after getting going...did you go WOT?

[HumanWiki]

If you don't know what the other guy has then I honestly wouldn't let that sway you in to getting any Forced Induction system... You don't know what the car had done to it. For all you know, he could have had 20,000 in the powertrain and should have walked you.

If you want more power, FI, etc for you, then go ahead --- but, from a personal perspective, I wouldn't do it solely on that basis.

I got mine because I personally wanted it.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

Ok case and point and really the reason I am asking....Last weekend during Interstate driving a 2001 Mustang pulled up besides me about 65ish and left me...I did not attempt to follow........when i do go WOT it just feels like I don't keep up... This feeling I did not like at all..


This is really the first time I have ever gotten on my car like this...... but I did not lose traction..maybe he got me on the jump I have no idea but I do know I could not catch him...It may have been different if we started from zero but I have no idea.....

So I have looked in to S/C again to rectify this situation....numbers are great 465rwhp but if you can not go fast enough it is not good to me...on the same token if you have 665 and you slip and spin then it is also not good.


Chris when you took off in the video you had a little wheel hop but seems to take off after getting going...did you go WOT?

Yes, but I short shifted 2nd and that is the chirp you heard...

The guy next to you might be supercharged also....... You may not have been in the power band... you really need to down shift and get your car around 3 - 4 K before you jump on the throttle.... When I need passing power and I want to do it quickly I like to be in 3rd. usually with warm tires jumping on it in 3rd will stick and hold and PUUULLLLL...

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

If you don't know what that 2001 Mustang had in it, then I honestly wouldn't let that sway you in to getting any Forced Induction system... You don't know what the car had done to it. For all you know, he could have had 20,000 in the powertrain and should have walked you.

If you want more power, FI, etc for you, then go ahead --- but, from a personal perspective, I wouldn't do it solely on that basis.

I got mine because I personally wanted it.

Wiki,

You are correct in your statement......and because of the cost associated with a F/I system then a LOT has to be thought about.....kinda the reason I am asking these Noob questions, LOL.......I know it really isn't the car but who can AFFORD to go the fastest and that is not me or my wallet.

I have looked at several car, not physically but on here that are F/I Like Chris, PQ, Emma, Dangeruss, Bruce, Robert and yours etc......some are mildly done and others are way over the top some are turbo and some are S/C.

Chris's and PQ's seem to be more of a "Stock" set up if you will, meaning factory tires, tranny, rear etc...while Dangeruss and Emma are changing everything under the sun.

I am not dogging either of these cars but to state it's all in what you want.

My car is a TOY plain and simple that I like to drive and have it not sound like a 747 meaning that the rpms are so high and only going 55 mph

I had thought about doing a rear gear swap to give me little more increased take off but just getting thoughts and ideas

[Dr Jkel]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Yes, but I short shifted 2nd and that is the chirp you heard...

The guy next to you might be supercharged also....... You may not have been in the power band... you really need to down shift and get your car around 3 - 4 K before you jump on the throttle.... When I need passing power and I want to do it quickly I like to be in 3rd. usually with warm tires jumping on it in 3rd will stick and hold and PUUULLLLL...

I guess it's all a learning this....I really don't think he was S/C'd because he didn't just leave me like I was standing still but he did pull me by a car length before I got out of it and it wasn't instantaneous.

I really can't remember what gear I was in but you are probably correct at me being in too high of a gear to start with.

I have always been a bowtie guy so the thoughts of a Mustang pulling me didn't sit well. LOL Couple that with these 22's I have and it probably didn't help.

I have looked a certain cars and it seems , seems nothing, it is when you get to a certain HP range that other things must be upgraded like tranny/clutch, rear end etc..... and I really do not get on a track and race, actually never have but kinda spur of the moment and a good safe opportunity to see what it would do.........


Maybe at C5F III I will be able to drive some geared and mild S/C'd cars to see what the difference is

[HumanWiki]

I'm somewhere in the middle -- not a "stock" FI setup, but not fully modified either.

There is a lot to think about when adding FI to your car -- The powertrain isn't designed for it and by putting it on there, you are assuming risk. The risk increases the more over just the S/C that you add, but, risk nonetheless. Some of us go tens of thousands of miles with no issues, some of us blow up parts the first track time out. My S/C came with free upgraded axles, so if you were going to do that -- I'd recommend talking to Hendrix Engineering. I believe they still have that deal going. Then you have upgraded a notorious part in the manual FI cars.

If it's just a toy for you, then honestly, I would just stick with the base install package from one of the vendors.. If you do that, I believe you can get some sort of warranty from them -- until you start adding headers, dropping down pulley, etc. That might hit the middle for you.

Just saw your other follow up post -- Those 22"s, like you said, probably aren't helping you either. I don't know their weight, but the faster you spin them, the more they're going to weigh (kinda, not fully correct, but close enough) and the more resistant to change they're going to be.

I can't speak to gear swaps -- but, I do know that many people on here had issues when they first started doing them -- so, I'd look around for those that did them, had issues, etc and see if they'd do it again.

(side note) -- Happy 1,000th post to me.. Woot.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Dr Jkel

I guess it's all a learning this....I really don't think he was S/C'd because he didn't just leave me like I was standing still but he did pull me by a car length before I got out of it and it wasn't instantaneous.

I really can't remember what gear I was in but you are probably correct at me being in too high of a gear to start with.

I have always been a bowtie guy so the thoughts of a Mustang pulling me didn't sit well. LOL Couple that with these 22's I have and it probably didn't help.

I have looked a certain cars and it seems , seems nothing, it is when you get to a certain HP range that other things must be upgraded like tranny/clutch, rear end etc..... and I really do not get on a track and race, actually never have but kinda spur of the moment and a good safe opportunity to see what it would do.........


Maybe at C5F III I will be able to drive some geared and mild S/C'd cars to see what the difference is

the 22's will definitely rob you of usable power no doubt about it. I think a build like mine and Randy's will be a great place to start.

Good suspension with reliable power... Makes for TON of fun.

and keep in mind, my wife drives the Camaro once a week or so and she's pretty easy on it. Never once has she complained that the car scares her..

Which is a huge plus

And you say the word anytime, I'll be glad to toss you the keys so we can go for a ride.

[garcmol]

Got your PM John but throwing this here, Does the "package" include a boost pump, injectors, (Do those have to be changed?), intercooler, and whatever else?

And that 22" rotating mass can't help at all!

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Got your PM John but throwing this here, Does the "package" include a boost pump, injectors, (Do those have to be changed?), intercooler, and whatever else?

And that 22" rotating mass can't help at all!

I'm running the stock maggie pulley and stock fuel pump.

Randy had to pulley down and run a BAP to get to the same RWHP I have. but that's the difference between auto and manual drive train loss. Since Randy did the LS3 conversion he makes a bit more at the crank...

My AFR is very flat at 11.7. Nice and safe.