Some EBay sellers promising 4/15 delivery

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

......Maybe you should have put down that you drive one of them .......

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Well, 30 inchers are really rare. ...........

Master Chief. I appreciate that you are frustrated. But this is not the way to express you anger. This thread has maintained it's integrity so far. I won't let it reduce itself to grenade throwing. Move your posts in a more consturctive direction please.

[richardhoggard]

Originally Posted by gtahvit

Master Chief. I appreciate that you are frustrated. But this is not the way to express you anger. This thread has maintained it's integrity so far. I won't let it reduce itself to grenade throwing. Move your posts in a more consturctive direction please.

OH SNAP!!!

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Master Chief

Hello Camaro Friends,

I would like to reinforce the opinions expressed here about the Ebay Camaro listings.

Here's a little background: I have been a lurker here for several months and learned a lot about the preorder process from the people here. I have also been a loyal Salisbury Chevrolet customer since 1990. My family has purchased around 15 new cars from them in the past 30 years plus about 5 used cars.

I went to pre-order a RJT 2010 2SSRS from them on the second day of ordering, and the sales person treated me like I was from mars. They insisted there was no pre-ordering and told me things about the Camaro possibly not ever even being made. I chalked it up to salesman stupidity.

I went back a few days later and talked to another salesperson. I got a similar story from him. When I presented proof that the Camaro was being offered for pre-order, he looked totally confused as if he was an actor who forgot his lines.

I still was naive and thought that I couldn't possibly be getting misled by the dealer I have been loyal to all this time and recommended to friends for years...

I tried calling and asking about pre-orders and this time I got the story about Camaros not being made ever and that it could be years before I get one so the dealer was "doing me a favor" by not taking my money for a deposit. I insisted that I would like to put down a deposit and that it was no problem. The salesman told me he didn't think it was "fair" for them to be collecting interest on the deposit all the time I could keep it in my bank account and that they were trying to save me the lost interest by refusing my pre-order.

I said how about if I just put down a token amount to "hold my place in line for whenever the camaro comes out". I suggested I put down $100 and even said I didn't care about the interest (I get 0.15% on my checking account! ) and said if the camaro never comes out they can keep the $100. I was told that GM wouldn't take a pre-order for less than $5000 on a new Camaro. (Which I almost did but I thought it over in my head and thought if Salisbury or GM went out of business I could lose the rather large deposit.)

By now, I was starting to feel duped. The more and more people I read about with positive dealer stories getting MSRP and small or no deposits and such was making me feel I was somehow being lied to. I felt my long history buying from them didn't matter and I was just another idiot. I didn't want to believe it because I had always had good luck with this dealer (except for their crooked service department, but that's another topic alltogether!)

I went back in before the deadline and it was slow, so another sales person I never met before was talking to me and I pretended like I knew nothing about the Camaro but I saw it in a magazine and wanted to buy one. He told me that they only had a handful of pre-orders and "They were all filled the first week." I asked him about getting on the list for the next allotment and he told me that I would need to be prepared to pay $30K+ over sticker if I wanted to get one this year.

By now I realized I was totally SCAMMED by this dealer and I realized that I needed to find another one, but I was a afraid I would get the same treatment. I went to DeNooyer and they were totally honest with me and didn't give me any stories, however they said that it would be a long time before I received my car because I waited so long to pre-order. They took my $500 depost and I'm just in waiting mode now.

Because I was stupidly loyal to my dealer, I screwed myself out of getting a 2010 Camaro this summer. If I am lucky, my order will come in this fall.

I was NOT going to say anything about Salisbury Chevrolet here, because I wasn't sure what the story was 100%. I was going to give them ther benefit of the doubt because I figured that there was a good chance the salespeople were the problem... trying to turn pre-orders away because they wanted to get the first cars for themselves or friends.

Boy, was I a SUCKER! Once I saw the thread about the other fellow with the same stories from them and the cars showing up on Ebay, I figured I was duped. Then when I see the actual management putting their comments on the ebay auction saying "nobody locally wanted a 2SSRS" so he was doing some kind of favor by offering them to the internet for true enthusiasts or some nonsense. Boy was I pissed!!! Now I come here and visit and see the LAME excuses being offered to people by the same management and how somehow this is not his fault because the car is popular and this always happens? Give me a break! I get a distinct feeling of arrogance from Dan, and now I feel even disdain for those of us who were only willing to pony up MSRP for his "treasures". Even the comments in his ebay listings are misleading, as if he's doing the world a favor by offering these cars for sale to the higherst bidder.

I have been lied to at every turn, and these guys were only out for themselves. This "ebay" thing was their plan all along. I imagine that I'm not the only person who got screwed by these con artists. I was totally screwed by Salisbury and I decided never to buy from them again even if they were the ONLY dealer in the world selling Camaros. I have told my family to NEVER shop there ever again and I believe they agree with me now.

If Mr. Carlton thinks his short-term profit is worth the negative publicity, then so be it. He's lost a family of loyal customers and everyone I ever meet who's looking for a Chevy.

Oh, and one more thing that's REALLY annoying... (this is hilarious): If I google "2010 Camaro" to look for pictures or reviews or other new info guess what happens? I get google list results with "google ads" on the top or side border of my screen that say:

"2010 Camaro In Stock! Salisbury Chevrolet" and a link to their website that shops none in stock but a button to press that says "Pre-Order your 2010 Camaro Today" that takes you to an email screen where you have to type a message.

I hope Dan meets his reserve price because it's the last profit he will ever make if I tell enough people my story.

Goodbye forever, Salisbury! Don't let the door smash your taillamps on the way out!

Thank you for sharing this story with us. I too have a very similar story with Kendall Chevrolet in Miami, Florida. Losing a customer like you that has bought a fleet worth of vehicles and given them a good name it is nothing short of idiotic business practice to gain a buck in the short term.. So Mr. Carlton makes a profit selling these cars on e-bay at the expense of multiple loyal customers.. Does he think those ebay customers will be coming back once they realize they have been screwed on a deal they could have got for much much less...

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by Vash

How did we go from idiots selling cars they don't even have improperly on ebay to size contest of LCD displays?

lol...

Consensus that Ebay can suck and in this case of the ghost Camaro's it qualifies as some suckage?

Yes / No vote.

are you drunk? lol

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

We already know the holdback is 3% on the camaro, plus whatever else is stacked over the invoice dont act like you are giving the cars away.

That's just on the camaro. They have to offset the losses from the other cars. It's like CAFE where cars like the Camaro are going to be able to sold while some of the electric/hybrids will help with fleet fuel economy.

Just because there is 3% holdback doesn't mean it's profit. If a dealership sold everything at invoice, there would be no dealership. There are so many things that must be paid for by the dealership, from advertising, electricity, custodians, land leases, the cars they're paying interest on because they've been sitting a while (which do get sold at a real loss sometimes), window washers. etc. etc.

It's easy to bash a dealership when you only know what the business is like from one end.

I worked at a dealership before. The sales PROFIT from UAG (United Auto Group, they own a ton of dealerships all over, all makes) on the sales end of the dealership was ~1%!

[hollywoodGU]

Originally Posted by SALISBURYCHEVROLET

Chevy he said that he makes 5-10 percent..WOW......Not car dealers. I am starting to lose hope..lol Dan

didnt he say he was going to stop talking?

[Baughman]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

Hi. I'm new here.

Welcome Aboard Scotty

[BackinBlackSS/RS]

Originally Posted by Angelina

Dan,

We all had to "choose" what we drive. I did not assume...it is what you have as the vehicle you drive. Why not just put what you really drive in that case.

Thank you Angelina! I was thinking the exact same thing. He makes a statement, and then trys to turn it back on you as if you were the one who made the mistake. Nuff said!

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

That's just on the camaro. They have to offset the losses from the other cars. It's like CAFE where cars like the Camaro are going to be able to sold while some of the electric/hybrids will help with fleet fuel economy.

Just because there is 3% holdback doesn't mean it's profit. If a dealership sold everything at invoice, there would be no dealership. There are so many things that must be paid for by the dealership, from advertising, electricity, custodians, land leases, the cars they're paying interest on because they've been sitting a while (which do get sold at a real loss sometimes), window washers. etc. etc.

It's easy to bash a dealership when you only know what the business is like from one end.

I worked at a dealership before. The sales PROFIT from UAG (United Auto Group, they own a ton of dealerships all over, all makes) on the sales end of the dealership was ~1%!

Yes the 3% holdback does mean it is profit. It is simple math. They buy the car for A they sell it for B. Just because they have other business expenses doesn't deminish the profit they made. Thats like me going to my boss and saying um yeah I didn't get paid last month because once I got done paying all my bills I didn't have any money left.

[MontyCarlo]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Yes the 3% holdback does mean it is profit. It is simple math. They buy the car for A they sell it for B. Just because they have other business expenses doesn't deminish the profit they made. Thats like me going to my boss and saying um yeah I didn't get paid last month because once I got done paying all my bills I didn't have any money left.

Profit, by definition, is diminished by other business expenses. Profit = what somebody paid you for it - what you paid for it - what you put in to the process of getting it sold.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by MontyCarlo

Profit, by definition, is diminished by other business expenses. Profit = what somebody paid you for it - what you paid for it - what you put in to the process of getting it sold.

Now it is becoming an arguement over gross profit and net profit. Two different things. You can make a larger net profit two ways:

1. Selling in volume
2. Over pricing items

The problem here is that for many years car dealers have chosen to go with option 2. Its not a coincidence that they can't sell a car to save their life at this point and are on the verge of bankruptcy.

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by chevymuscle311

Now it is becoming an arguement over gross profit and net profit. Two different things. You can make a larger net profit two ways:

1. Selling in volume
2. Over pricing items

The problem here is that for many years car dealers have chosen to go with option 2. Its not a coincidence that they can't sell a car to save their life at this point and are on the verge of bankruptcy.

now they don't have the option of selling the camaro in volume for the time being, do they. so it should be pretty easy to see why they should go over to number 2 for now.

[DeathChill]

I see that their eBay auction's are ending without meeting the reserve. I am really curious how high it was. Oh well, maybe they learned that this is not the economy to try and take advantage of your customers.

[chevymuscle311]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

now they don't have the option of selling the camaro in volume for the time being, do they. so it should be pretty easy to see why they should go over to number 2 for now.

In the form of pre-orders yes they can and I wasnt talking specifically about Camaros. If they sold ALL of their cars at a reasonable price then the volume would be there.