2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by tyeverhart11

At the end of the day this Shelby is still a Ford. The ZL1 is much more reliable for the simple fact that it's a Chevrolet.

and how do you know this when you drive a Honda Accord?

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by n2oSS

chevy just got wtf pwned.

i hope the next zl1 will compete but hell even the vettes are nervous now

Not really. I'm on a couple Vette boards and they aren't worried.

[shockandawe]

Originally Posted by Uneducated Guess

I'm a camaro guy. Always have been. Regardless of what the GT500 puts out, I know that I'll enjoy every moment with my ZL1. If these bandwagoners decide to get the GT500 instead of the ZL1 for the sole reason of HP then let 'em.

Thanks for the permission!

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by htron50

And what do you think Ford will charge to get the brute engine without all the technology in ZL1? More than ZL1 I assure you. And, are the pistons bored with the precision of the ZL1? Maybe... but Nothing to Worry about!

LOL WHAT?!

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

LOL WHAT?!

It's a reference to the deck honing done on the cylinders to make them extra precise in alignment.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129309

(just in case that's not sarcasm)

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

Uhhh, yup...... They hit the mark as well..... It's definitely shaken the house here.

Marketing genius...........

[rachykells]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

It's gonna be great watching the ZL1 and 2013 GT500 go at it.....

+1

This. Is. Sick.

[shockandawe]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I think you're wrong.

I don't think we'll ever think we can't be beat.

I haven't a clue as to what you mean by "GM dropped the ball on the development of this car...."

No -- we are not going to cancel production of the car.

And I must say that by reading most of your posts, you'll be disappointed no matter what we do.

When I'm paying top dollar for a car, I don't want the competition kicking my ass.

[Black5thgen]

This is pretty interesting. Biggest issue was no traction. ZL1 doesn't have the same HP's as a HP 650 though.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

It's a reference to the deck honing done on the cylinders to make them extra precise in alignment.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129309

(just in case that's not sarcasm)

I know what he was referring to, but the point itself is ludicrous. If you think that gives any kind of comparative advantage to the LSA you're dreaming. That's like a ford nutswinger bashing the LSA for not having plasma-wire arc technology.

There is some desperate reaching for logic in here and it's a bit embarrassing. There's no reason for this. The ZL1 is going to be one monstrous car that will tear up the track and be a dream to daily drive. Right now it seems Ford will likely be one-upping the ZL1's performance on track, at least when equipped with the performance package, but that is yet to be seen and if it's so, Chevy will respond and that doesn't detract from how awesome the 2012 ZL1 is. However, making negative statements about the mustang in regard to performance or reliability is just ridiculous conjecture with no logic whatsoever. All we know right now is that Ford has a 650hp, 3850 lb gt500 with completely reworked suspension, diff, engine, transmission, and axle; that's ALL we know.

[2ndCamaro79]

WHO CARES ABOUT 'RING TIMES?

Man, seriously... WTF is the fascination with ring times besides a topic to argue about on forums?

For the most part, everyone he is mostly concerned with straighline acceleration and speed. At this point, the GT500 just has more and weighs less.

Of course this was all planned by GM. They must of gotten wind of the release and planned this through. W/E, no biggie. Competition is a good thing.

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I made this point earlier

I guess I need to get out of my cave and check out some road racing? I mean do you race against other people in your 40 to 70K personal car? Boy I wish I had that type of cash! What happens if you hit someone or someone who is not a pro hits you? Taking a expensive car around a race track and not being a pro driver just seems crazy unless you just have cash to blow?? And ANY RING TIME seems to have more to do with the DRIVER than the car ehh? I mean if I drove around a track in a Lambo my times would be about the same as Jeff Gordon in a Chevy Cruz?

So what really counts is how fast the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger go in a straight line!! If you have a 2012 ZL1 and your neighbor buys a 2013 Shelby we will OWN you at the light PERIOD!!! Now around a track that probably depends on who is the better driver PERIOD!! It is this reason why the ZL1 came out with higher HP numbers than the 2011 Shelby, and its this reason the people who by the 2012 ZL1 will be hosed

I am a Camaro guy and even though my SS gets spanked by the 5.0 and Boss Mustangs I love it. I was driving a Camaro when nobody liked them and Chevy had to stop making them. Now when I do drop the 60K on the ZL1 I do want the one that is the most competitive against the Shelby. I don't mind having a car that is a little slower, but right now the ZL1 is only a tenth of a second quicker that the Boss302

What I got the answer the 2013 Shelby probably will be about as fast as the ZL585 and around the same price? Soooooo maybe I will just by a ZL585 and not worry about silly Ford

[2ndCamaro79]

When I'm paying top dollar for a car, I don't want the competition kicking my ass.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

I know what he was referring to, but the point itself is ludicrous. If you think that gives any kind of comparative advantage to the LSA you're dreaming. That's like a ford nutswinger bashing the LSA for not having plasma-wire arc technology.

No, I guess having a non-fully forged rotating assembly flinging up and down up to 6,500 times a minute under load and boost with slightly out of alignment mass produced cylinders isn't an issue for any engine. Why would lateral strain be an issue?

[obzidian]

Originally Posted by kcobean

Speak for yourself. The 'ring is one of THE BEST indicators of a cars overall performance. I didn't buy a dragster, I bought a sports car. If you're arguing that in order to be impressed by a car, all it has to do is make a good 1/4 mile time, that's you, but for most of the rest of us, there is a hell of a lot more to a car than that.

Ok.

How many Road Course events have you done in your SLP car? How many AutoCross Events? Drift? If you do in fact go ahead and RR/AC the car then I can see where "ring" times make sense.

But, lets not go there... 99% of the people here either race the piss out of their cars on the highway in a STRAIGHT LINE or go to car shows and enjoy the occasional freeway on ramp in a STRAIGHT LINE. Feeling lucky when you pull up to a light and eye the stang next to you? Well, the next few seconds, hopefully, you'll be whooping some horse-tail in a STRAIGHT LINE.

Just saying. Not everyone really takes these cars on a road course and piss off every part of the car. Most like to play and that playing is mostly in a straight line.

I just find arguing over times on a track that practically no one here has even seen the damn track as pointless. However, what do we all care about? Whipping off the smirk of the douchebag that lines up next to you. Plain and simple.