2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 650 HP! How will it stack up against the ZL1?

[JusticePete]

A ZR1 is in a class that the Mustang will never Zee. 7:19 @ The Ring.

I have nothing against drag racing. We support a long list of drag racers. On the other hand, when you are 16 you enjoy 10.5 second encounters. Most brag about them. With a bit more perspective, those don't measure up. If all we want out of our private activities and our cars is a ten second burst we aren't asking for much. From my Modern Muscle car I want a quickie when I want one and the staying power to run as long as I want when ten seconds won't do.

This car is the best because fill in the blank with only one item is not a discussion about a car. It is a discussion about one aspect of a car. If all you want to talk about is which Modern Muscle car is the fastest on the strip there should be thread so titled.

ZL1 - GT500 - MOPAR CHARGER - SRT 8

Which is the best AUTOMOBILE?

[SRT8Tech]

Did you guys forget about the OLD 2009-2010 Viper that killed the latest ZR1 ring time about a month ago??? Now, when the new Viper that comes out in 2013 it will be even better. ZRwhat??? I do like the ZR1 better though.

[Blue Maro Demon]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Did you guys forget about the OLD 2009-2010 Viper that killed the latest ZR1 ring time about a month ago??? Now, when the new Viper that comes out in 2013 it will be even better. ZRwhat??? I do like the ZR1 better though.

Yeah but by that time the new C7 Corvette will be there to put the new Viper in its place. Dont get me wrong I love the Dodge Vipers they are very fast and kool cars BUT Chevrolet has the Corvette Racing team and everyone dialed in on making the next Vette the best ever.

[JusticePete]

That time is ridiculous. The driver was off the charts on it. I have a suspicion there were some tweaks that were not made public. It doesn't matter. It ran what it ran. I am really looking forward to the new Viper. Did I mention there is a Viper at Pedders, white, blue stripes, five points, all original, 7,215 miles
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[VR Baron]

Well it isn't out yet. And as a Mustang friend said, it is reputed to cost over $70000 from the news.

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by HufferSS

This is simply not true....everyone forgets the Corvette. I am very confident a ZR1 would have little trouble with this Cobra.....it might even be able to take a 392 Challenger but we'd have to ask Stew first.

I'm not overlooking the Corvette it's just not an equal comparison. When I bought my Z06 I didn't compare it to the GT500, I compared it to the the Audi R8, Nissan GTR, Dodge Viper, and so forth. The Vette to me is in a different league period.

And good one about Stew that made my day lol....

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

I said this a long time ago, nobody would listen. Better off putting some mods on an SS, and walking the ZL1 and the GT500 for the next 5yrs. LOL

I said the same thing, and was banned from the ZL1 section.

[moodi]

this thing is going to be amazing ....

[thePill]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Mr. Pill makes strong case, but class racing is not always reflective of production car performance. The ZL1 is forced to run with less power on track than the street version. You know better than most I do have hard data on this. The Mustang out accelerates and out brakes the Camaro, but the Camaro is faster in the turns.

You also know I am the proud owner of a reasonably competent Mustang. The Camaro has clear edge in brakes stock to stock. The Mustang has a clear edge in weight. I can tit for tat both vehicles longer than I care to type. If I ran GM, the Camaro would be lighter. If I ran Ford the money spent on the new engine would have gone into brakes, braces and suspension. My guess is a bone stock ZL1 will out run a bone stock 2013 GT 500 over a20 lap session. One lap would be a drivers race.

You know why I say this so I'll put you on the spot and ask you to explain why ;-)
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Yes, I know.. the carbon fiber driveshaft will turn into molten resin. I am confident that over the 13 months at Nurburgring, they would have identified an issue. Also note that testing was performed without a heat shield. Since the GT and Boss 302 average about 5-7mpg during race conditions, it is pretty safe to assume that both the GT500 and ZL1 would be out of gas before 20 laps at Willow or VIR. It is possible that the ZL1 could finish at Laguna but with the big elevation change, that would likely make up for the slightly shorter track. Portland (would be very close) and Lime Rock would be the ZL1's best bet in a 20 lap race.

Regardless of driveshafts and gasoline, we will probably discover that both of these cars are using DOT 3 which would instantly disqualify them for any track duty. The Boss uses DOT 3 and even at 3600lbs it will boil the fluid...

Track Ready!!! Just let me change all my fluids, tires, wheels, suspension (both the ZL1 and possibly the GT500 will have illegal equipment), add in a roll bar/cage, eliminate my supercharger and 400-600lbs and I will be ready...

Anyway, I think this is pretty classy... Happy Anniversary SVT!!!


and some new cut away 5.8 engine pics here...
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...away-pics.html

[Go_Fast]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

That is my goal this winter when I goto SGMP. I want that 12.0 timeslip bone stock!!!!! Oh.....of course I will have a catch can. I guess thats not bone stock anymore.

What was your 60ft time on your 12.25 ET?? What gear ratio are you running.

[Go_Fast]

Originally Posted by thePill

Yes, I know.. the carbon fiber driveshaft will turn into molten resin. I am confident that over the 13 months at Nurburgring, they would have identified an issue. Also note that testing was performed without a heat shield. Since the GT and Boss 302 average about 5-7mpg during race conditions, it is pretty safe to assume that both the GT500 and ZL1 would be out of gas before 20 laps at Willow or VIR. It is possible that the ZL1 could finish at Laguna but with the big elevation change, that would likely make up for the slightly shorter track. Portland (would be very close) and Lime Rock would be the ZL1's best bet in a 20 lap race.

Regardless of driveshafts and gasoline, we will probably discover that both of these cars are using DOT 3 which would instantly disqualify them for any track duty. The Boss uses DOT 3 and even at 3600lbs it will boil the fluid...

Track Ready!!! Just let me change all my fluids, tires, wheels, suspension (both the ZL1 and possibly the GT500 will have illegal equipment), add in a roll bar/cage, eliminate my supercharger and 400-600lbs and I will be ready...

Anyway, I think this is pretty classy... Happy Anniversary SVT!!!


and some new cut away 5.8 engine pics here...
http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...away-pics.html

Unreal pictures, thanks for posting the link!

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Go_Fast

What was your 60ft time on your 12.25 ET?? What gear ratio are you running.

It was a 1.907 and still have the stock 3.06 gear. Couldnt even change the gear if I wanted to anyway. Still no tuning for the damn thing yet.

Heres the slip..............

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Blue Maro Demon

Yeah but by that time the new C7 Corvette will be there to put the new Viper in its place. Dont get me wrong I love the Dodge Vipers they are very fast and kool cars BUT Chevrolet has the Corvette Racing team and everyone dialed in on making the next Vette the best ever.

You are again making assumptions. We have absolutely no info on these cars but that they are coming. Who knows what the outcome will be.

[Go_Fast]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

It was a 1.907 and still have the stock 3.06 gear. Couldnt even change the gear if I wanted to anyway. Still no tuning for the damn thing yet.

Heres the slip..............

Nice pass. The 3.08 gears help you not spin as much out of the gate!!

Need to put some real tires "Slicks" on my Shelby next year, and stop the crazy wheel spin. No doubt it will run 11.50's or maybe even 40's with mid or low 1.60 foot's