Do you think the camaro will outsell the Mustang?

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by Chevyrocker

I'm starting to get tired of the Mustang fanboys...not all of them, but some need to go.

Most of us here are respectful of your car.

really?

Originally Posted by 2Muchmark

who dates girls who date mustang drivers anyway?

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

the car was made for women...lol

Originally Posted by MissMy68

mustang will always be a chump's car.

Originally Posted by VenomZ302

the new Mustang make me want to vomit.

Originally Posted by Vash

It's like Chrome puke.

this is the best looking mustang interior yet, show me the cheap plastic chrome EVERYWHERE like you say? this interior is HOT!



u deny it your lying.

[BeermanSS]

2010 Mustang is butt fricken ugly all the way around, but that front end in gold makes me wanna puke. I like the 09 better. But still Camaro way better looking.

[BeermanSS]

base camaro is hands down better value and better car than base mustang. if people were smart and researched the purchase it would outsell the mustang. but history isn't on our side and i personally don't think it will happen.

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by BeermanSS

base camaro is hands down better value and better car than base mustang. if people were smart and researched the purchase it would outsell the mustang. but history isn't on our side and i personally don't think it will happen.

Well, you do have a valid point, but if a majority of people did not even take the time to research something as important as their Presidential candidate and their position, what makes you think they would give a second thought about doing it for something as trite as a car purchase?

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by Chevyrocker

I'm starting to get tired of the Mustang fanboys...not all of them, but some need to go.

Most of us here are respectful of your car, so try not to talk bad about ours. It results in extra work for the mods and countless posts completely unrelated to the thread.

Not a fanboy, I'm an enthusiast of all muscle cars and every muscle car deserves their spotlight in their own respects. I actually, am defending against the youngin's who have their mind set straight on only one thing, let it be the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, etc. No one should be disrespecting another muscle car owner, let alone anyone else at all.

I still stand by my statement of the OP's question: Camaros will outsell other muscle cars in 2010 and possibly 11. But, Mustangs have ALWAYS been the original "pony/muscle" car. Everyone has heard of the Mustang, and it'll be the top seller of the category because of Ford's reliability, reputation, and build quality. Not to say that GM isn't reliable, has a strong reputation for a domestic car builder, or has weak quality. It's just apples vs oranges!

I can't wait for my new car. I'm torn between a new Camaro, a used C6, an '09 Bullitt mustang... or possibly the new 2012 rebuilt Mustang.

[RT21]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

really?

this is the best looking mustang interior yet, show me the cheap plastic chrome EVERYWHERE like you say? this interior is HOT!


u deny it your lying.

It looks like it's on fire...so yeah ... hot ...

[Splitter]

The GT500 interior is badass. (The one with the striped seats). Classy yet contemporary, imo.

[alex33x]

Originally Posted by fdjizm

really?









this is the best looking mustang interior yet, show me the cheap plastic chrome EVERYWHERE like you say? this interior is HOT!



u deny it your lying.

I love the mustang been a fan for years now, but I think the camaro has a lot more to offer than any mustang right now.

[syr74]

Lot of questions here we don't know the answer to yet, and some we may never know the answer to, for us to make a really good guess. A list of some things we do know, and otherr we don't.......

1: An advantage for Mustang is that it has a lot of money on the hood. The irony here being that, at sticker price, Ford is probably making a killing on the car by their own admission. Back in 2005 Ford claimed the 2005 model car was more profitable than the outoing 2004, which is in some ways nothing less than amazing, and they indicated that profitability was absolutely not a problem issue. (actually, they bordered on bragging about how much they make on the car) The price was raised three times in 2005 despite this, due to popularity, and even though inflation takes it's toll the notable increase in sticker says that Ford makes fairly good money if not very good on the car even when they rebate the GT down to a 25-26k level. My only question here is why not simply drop the sticker of a GT down to the 25-26k level? At 25,999.00 a base GT would be a heck of a deal. If leather and the upgraded steering wheel/radio were an a'la carte 1k option, and you could add the Track Pack for an additional $1400 and still be well below 29k on the sticker. That would better represent what you can actually expect to get for your money IMHO, and would be like free advertising.

2. A potential disadvantage for the Camaro is the uncertainty regarding how much they can rebate that car, and right now this matter a great deal since nearly everything not outright, bargain-priced needs some kind of cash on the hood in order to move. (MINI is an odd outlier here fwiw) Early on in Camaro development there was some serious buzz that the cost of the Zeta platform was proving problematic. And of course, prior to that there was a notable amount of buzz that Zeta was coming in overly-expensive and under-flexible back when the platform itself eas being developed.

How true were these rumors? That is anyones guess, and GM certainly isn't talking. (and having had years of experience in this biz myself, if they were talking in this kind of circumstance you probably couldn't put much faith in what they say) That said, the evidence we do have certainly doesn't hurt the case of those who think that Zeta did come in well over-budget. When the axe had to fall on something at GM Zeta was first in line despite the investment and hopes placed upon it and despite the fact that the platform hadn't really even had time to prove itself a success or a failure in the market. Lutz's CAFE argument for curtaling Zeta plans reeked of disinformation from the beginning, and a nearly 30mpg hwy rating for the new V6 Camaro only served to further that impression. Factor in the reality that GM has admitted to a serious profitability problem across the board, and that this includes some new platforms, and you have to wonder how much GM is making on the car with no rebates.

If GM rebates this car so that they can move more, are they going to lose money?

3. Another advantage for Mustang...broader appeal. Absolutely no disrespect intended, but Steve McQueen drove a Mustang for a reason. Ford's pony has a gift for wearing many different hats, it appeals to a broad range of people and is, in effect, the true American GT Ford intended for it to be. We can pretend as though we don't know this to be true, but in general the Camaro doesn't appeal as broadly, particularly not when it comes to women or even the yuppy crowd in general. And while the Chevy's 'Summer of 69' styling is a big hit on the show circuit and amongst loyalists, I don't think it will do anything to help here.

4: Advantage for Camaro V8....there is without doubt a segment of folks who will be swayed by the Camaro's bigger power and the greater slant toward comfort. That said, I don't think the V6 car will play nearly as well as GM likely hopes. I just don't see this particular car winning many converts, and there can be little doubt that GM is hoping for exactly that.

6: Finally, an important and surprising coup for Ford is the Buzz the upcoming 5.0L V8 has generated. Put simply, whether or not the Camaro faithful believe this engine will deliver this level of hp many among the Mustang faithful are convinced. And even among those who are not, a good deal are willing to wait and see if this comes to fruition. This, and the excellent perrformance of the 2011 Mustang GT with the Track Pack, had led several who were considering a switch to the Camaro to hold out.

Overall, I think the Camaro has a chance of outselling the Mustang for the 2010MY if they put a substaintail amount of cash on the hood. I'm just not certain GM can do that. And even if they do, I'm not sure it will be a good thing in this set of circumstances.

[ArcAngel]

Originally Posted by syr74

Lot of questions here we don't know the answer to yet, and some we may never know the answer to, for us to make a really good guess. A list of some things we do know, and otherr we don't.......

1: An advantage for Mustang is that it has a lot of money on the hood. The irony here being that, at sticker price, Ford is probably making a killing on the car by their own admission. Back in 2005 Ford claimed the 2005 model car was more profitable than the outoing 2004, which is in some ways nothing less than amazing, and they indicated that profitability was absolutely not a problem issue. (actually, they bordered on bragging about how much they make on the car) The price was raised three times in 2005 despite this, due to popularity, and even though inflation takes it's toll the notable increase in sticker says that Ford makes fairly good money if not very good on the car even when they rebate the GT down to a 25-26k level. My only question here is why not simply drop the sticker of a GT down to the 25-26k level? At 25,999.00 a base GT would be a heck of a deal. If leather and the upgraded steering wheel/radio were an a'la carte 1k option, and you could add the Track Pack for an additional $1400 and still be well below 29k on the sticker. That would better represent what you can actually expect to get for your money IMHO, and would be like free advertising.

2. A potential disadvantage for the Camaro is the uncertainty regarding how much they can rebate that car, and right now this matter a great deal since nearly everything not outright, bargain-priced needs some kind of cash on the hood in order to move. (MINI is an odd outlier here fwiw) Early on in Camaro development there was some serious buzz that the cost of the Zeta platform was proving problematic. And of course, prior to that there was a notable amount of buzz that Zeta was coming in overly-expensive and under-flexible back when the platform itself eas being developed.

How true were these rumors? That is anyones guess, and GM certainly isn't talking. (and having had years of experience in this biz myself, if they were talking in this kind of circumstance you probably couldn't put much faith in what they say) That said, the evidence we do have certainly doesn't hurt the case of those who think that Zeta did come in well over-budget. When the axe had to fall on something at GM Zeta was first in line despite the investment and hopes placed upon it and despite the fact that the platform hadn't really even had time to prove itself a success or a failure in the market. Lutz's CAFE argument for curtaling Zeta plans reeked of disinformation from the beginning, and a nearly 30mpg hwy rating for the new V6 Camaro only served to further that impression. Factor in the reality that GM has admitted to a serious profitability problem across the board, and that this includes some new platforms, and you have to wonder how much GM is making on the car with no rebates.

If GM rebates this car so that they can move more, are they going to lose money?

3. Another advantage for Mustang...broader appeal. Absolutely no disrespect intended, but Steve McQueen drove a Mustang for a reason. Ford's pony has a gift for wearing many different hats, it appeals to a broad range of people and is, in effect, the true American GT Ford intended for it to be. We can pretend as though we don't know this to be true, but in general the Camaro doesn't appeal as broadly, particularly not when it comes to women or even the yuppy crowd in general. And while the Chevy's 'Summer of 69' styling is a big hit on the show circuit and amongst loyalists, I don't think it will do anything to help here.

4: Advantage for Camaro V8....there is without doubt a segment of folks who will be swayed by the Camaro's bigger power and the greater slant toward comfort. That said, I don't think the V6 car will play nearly as well as GM likely hopes. I just don't see this particular car winning many converts, and there can be little doubt that GM is hoping for exactly that.

6: Finally, an important and surprising coup for Ford is the Buzz the upcoming 5.0L V8 has generated. Put simply, whether or not the Camaro faithful believe this engine will deliver this level of hp many among the Mustang faithful are convinced. And even among those who are not, a good deal are willing to wait and see if this comes to fruition. This, and the excellent perrformance of the 2011 Mustang GT with the Track Pack, had led several who were considering a switch to the Camaro to hold out.

Overall, I think the Camaro has a chance of outselling the Mustang for the 2010MY if they put a substaintail amount of cash on the hood. I'm just not certain GM can do that. And even if they do, I'm not sure it will be a good thing in this set of circumstances.

Quoted for truth and honesty!!!! Sometimes on this site instead of being honest and unbiased we just can't admit when Camaro isnt the Be all and end all that we think it to be. If we were honest we would be able to acknowledge what FORD has done with MUSTANG and what it continues to do. Once again we haven't learned from the past. These sentiments and comments were the same back in a day, " mustang doesn't have enough HP, its ugly blah , blah , blah" But while Camaro enthusiasts said these things, Mustang out sold Camaro and it dies. Mustang kept keeping on while there was nothing there for Camaro guys. The Mustang has a lineage and heritage that are engrained in Americana! Like it or not the Camaro will never defeat that. That is why the Mustang always outsells the Camaro. To people of all different walks, different genders, different ages the Mustang is as American as Apple pie!

[chevy dude]

Most definately the Camaro will outsell the MustangBy comparison,Camaro 426hp! vs Mustang GT 315hp,Camaro 6 speed vs mustang 5 speed.,there's more but don't have the time,how-ever i will comment on my discontent with Ford and the Mustang Gt's new "Grille"...dat is ugly!The v-6 mustang's grille looks far better.The rally lights in the grille is getting "old"If Ford sold the Shelby GT 500 for $35,000 it would be a no contest situation.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by chevy dude

Most definately the Camaro will outsell the MustangBy comparison,Camaro 426hp! vs Mustang GT 315hp,Camaro 6 speed vs mustang 5 speed.,there's more but don't have the time,how-ever i will comment on my discontent with Ford and the Mustang Gt's new "Grille"...dat is ugly!The v-6 mustang's grille looks far better.The rally lights in the grille is getting "old"If Ford sold the Shelby GT 500 for $35,000 it would be a no contest situation.

you are assuming most of the population actually cares and shops for horsepower....

[DevilKnightFalcon]

The new Mustangs really are fugly. Have you seen the back!? What the f*&k was Ford thinking??

[chevydude26]

mustang will sell on brand name alone...at least it felt that way last gen and like somebody else said...females and san francisco yuppies...there aren't enough guido's and mullet heads throughout the country (if i may use a stereotype)

but its not like the f bodies never outsold the mustang...they did throughout the 70's and the 80's

but either way i hope both cars sell well i root for american muscle no matter what...i hope they beat the 350z and any other foreign competitor in its class