11-23-2011, 10:07 AM | #43 |
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Another thing the ZL1 has over the 2013 GT500 is its reality and not paper. I dont think Ford even has a 2013 GT500 yet to test. Maybe a prototype but thats it. ZL1 is real and the 2013 GT500 is not.
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11-23-2011, 10:11 AM | #44 |
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It's not like I can go down to my chevy dealer and by one. To me neither one is real yet.
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11-23-2011, 02:01 PM | #45 | |
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Straight line data may or may not be any more consistent than track data. Again driver capability, human error and nature come into play. Aside from consistency, testing a car in a straight line for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times only provides a fraction of data on a car's capability and is simply not enough to determine if a car performs better than another. The ring can provide information on a car's handling, acceleration, deceleration, etc. giving more meaningful data about the entire spectrum of a car's performance.
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11-23-2011, 02:10 PM | #46 |
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ford ever figured out how to put the power to the ground then they might have some thing.One things for sher the new mustang needs the extra hp just to keep up with the zl1.the new zl1 IS THE COMPLEAT PACKAGE SOOO GOOD LUCK FORD .
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11-23-2011, 02:41 PM | #47 | |
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That being said, I agree with deki, it's rather ignorant to sit here and declare supremacy based off one test done by different drivers, on different days, different track conditions, different tires, etc. It's also not as if certain manufacturers cheat at these track tests too, so an unbiased source would sure go a long way as well. Sure, nothing is perfect, but you can certainly reduce the number of variables quite easily. (Any reason why all my posts continue to get deleted? Someone PM me, please.....) |
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11-23-2011, 02:46 PM | #48 |
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The reason the use the ring to juge cars is the consistency of the track and conditions. but Deki you would know this no.not for nothing but cars run tracks allover and get within 10ths or less all the time and thats lap after lap.what kind of tracks would you like them to use ovels .
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I hear what you are saying, but I can't help but to flashback to when I owned my 2005 GTO and what all the GM guys where bellyaching about regarding the then-new S197 Mustang; the "gotta have it" factor.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests In a nutshell, Car and Driver compared a 2005 Mustang and a 2005 GTO and the Mustang won the comparison based on what was termed the "gotta have it" factor. The commentary provided stated, "So what was the Mustang's appeal? Well, we're suckers for a great body, and the Mustang looks a lot better than the GTO." Now here it is 2011 and so many of the GM fanboys who said things like... Quote:
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I just feel Deki's opinions of Ring times may be rooting from something deeper than wanting consistent and accurate testing times. Reading his posts, he came off as quite defensive that mustangs don't have ring times publicized and the ZL1 does (fanboyism? if not then ). In all reality I can careless. I love both cars and if I had the money I'd own them both and drive the piss out of them.
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11-23-2011, 03:40 PM | #51 |
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why so many people are hung up on the ring time is beyond me. Who cares if your chosen car is a better car at the f'n ring if you can't beat the other guys with slower ring time at VIR, LS, or Infenion, etc? That is "real world." I don't know any car guy (and I know a ton who drive Carrera GTs and Enzos) who boast or talk about ring times.
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11-23-2011, 10:05 PM | #52 |
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11-24-2011, 08:26 AM | #53 |
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This car is faster than that car witch is faster then ther car. I'm a Chevy guy and love the Chevy vers ford deal. Can't hate all the time. It's like Boston vers new York. I'm ok with good old competition.
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No worse than some of the 'stang forums where anything from GM is a total piece of crap. Me, I look forward to seeing ZL1's on the road, and I hope the Z28 also sees the light of day. Competition makes the brand (insert your favorite here) better. Also, I assure you, noone who is a car guy/gal, like it or hate it, mistakes my Shelby for "just another stang" , at least around here (DFW). No more than anyone will mistake a ZL1 for a LS,LT or even a SS.
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11-24-2011, 10:29 PM | #56 |
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There is way more 5th gen Camaros vs 6th gen mustangs around here. But mustang is more common if you count the other generations
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