#2830 is already on EBAY!

[toesuf94]

on craigslist now too...this is at a dealer! http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/1131341436.html

They have a wait list of over 50 buyers...and here is a car on Craigslist. D!*KS!

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

on craigslist now too...this is at a dealer! http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/1131341436.html

They have a wait list of over 50 buyers...and here is a car on Craigslist. D!*KS!

That guy is dreaming. That's more than a 2SS!

[dragonZ28]

There is a difference between dealer markup and owner markup.

The dealer is getting the product straight from the manufacturing source and doesn't have to wait in line, or jump through hoops to get the product.

Here is where I think the owner of the vehicle can sell it for however much he wants... Everybody in the country had the same ability to get this car; this guy just got there first. He had no unfair advantage over any other prospective buyer. Dealers, on the other hand, are guaranteed to get these cars.

It's just like the Xbox360s when they came out. Everyone had their chance to preorder one, and everyone that missed that opportunity had the chance to wait in line at Wal-Mart. They had 2 chances to strike gold, but they delayed, and got mad when someone used their intelligence by preordering 1yr ahead of time just to anticipate making a quick buck on eBay. Now, if Wal-Mart was chargin a markup, they are being unethical in my book because they are the retail distributor of the item. They are guaranteed certain amounts without having to preorder or wait in line - to them, it is a right. To the resellers, it was earned. In the end, everyone who paid $1200 was just too slow, or didn't care to secure their Xbox at retail value when they had the opportunity.

[Jamie Mac]

on the bright side ZERO bids so far

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by dragonZ28

There is a difference between dealer markup and owner markup.

The dealer is getting the product straight from the manufacturing source and doesn't have to wait in line, or jump through hoops to get the product.

But the dealers do have to wait in line, jump through hoops. Do you think they can get as many Camaro's as they want, whenever they want?


Dealers selliing cars is exactly like the consumers selling cars. There is ZERO difference. Anybody can sell anything for whatever they want. If the dealers have such an advantage and it were so easy, why don't you just open up your own dealership? It's that easy, right? Right now it's simple supply and demand. If the dealerships don't sell them for the real market price, the consumers will. If the dealerships want that money (because, yes, they have earned it) then they can go ahead and sell them for the real market value. To say the consumer/seller is entitled to any extra money and the dealership is not is proposterous.


personally, I hope these people aren't able to get more than the dealership was able to. We had too many people worrying here about the "real enthusiast" getting screwed by dealerships, that they should only sell at MSRP. And then when most do, the consumer turns around and does exactly what everybody was crying about.

Everybody talks about loyalty, but in the end, they prove to be no better than the dealerships they were whining about. It turns out they don't hate the dealerships and their practices, they are jealous of them.

[shank0668]

[2Muchmark]

I'm not sure but I think that the current bid at $36,600 is already too much for this car. I ordered the 2SS with Everything and am paying only $44,000 CAD which is $1240.16 less than what this bidder is paying. I can understand paying a premium to get the car sooner but at this price why not just get it from the dealer instead of "Some guy" off the Internet ?

[2Muchmark]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

on craigslist now too...this is at a dealer! http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/1131341436.html

They have a wait list of over 50 buyers...and here is a car on Craigslist. D!*KS!

Hahahaha...

I'm PROUD to be buying my car from a dealer. Lower prices, and less hassles.

[dragonZ28]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

But the dealers do have to wait in line, jump through hoops. Do you think they can get as many Camaro's as they want, whenever they want?


Dealers selliing cars is exactly like the consumers selling cars. There is ZERO difference. Anybody can sell anything for whatever they want. If the dealers have such an advantage and it were so easy, why don't you just open up your own dealership? It's that easy, right? Right now it's simple supply and demand. If the dealerships don't sell them for the real market price, the consumers will. If the dealerships want that money (because, yes, they have earned it) then they can go ahead and sell them for the real market value. To say the consumer/seller is entitled to any extra money and the dealership is not is proposterous.


personally, I hope these people aren't able to get more than the dealership was able to. We had too many people worrying here about the "real enthusiast" getting screwed by dealerships, that they should only sell at MSRP. And then when most do, the consumer turns around and does exactly what everybody was crying about.

Everybody talks about loyalty, but in the end, they prove to be no better than the dealerships they were whining about. It turns out they don't hate the dealerships and their practices, they are jealous of them.

Your logic is flawed if you think that dealers have to wait in line just like the consumers. The dealers are all getting a Camaro, as to where consumers are forced to pre-order them to secure their car.

The truth is, every single dealership is getting these cars. Not every consumer is getting these cars; that's the difference. The dealers are guaranteed to get them in stock for sale. Consumers are not guaranteed to be able to buy one immediately.

I can see from your perspective and I understand your frustration with this happening. However, the guy selling his car wasn't entitled to that car like a Chevy dealer is. He had to get out there and place his order before the crowds - the person who buys it from him had the exact same capability as the guy selling it. They could have just as easily gone to that dealer and placed that order; this guy just did it first.

Honestly, I think that we should put the blame more on the people paying outrageous prices and fueling these sellers to continue doing this. If nobody would pay a markup, there would be no markup.

With that said, this kind of thing happens in many aspects of capitalism. It happens with everything from general merchandise, such as toys and electronics, all the way up to real estate.

On a side note, I will not be getting rid of ours, but I can understand why people would flip it over immediately to a sucker willing to pay more than it's worth, or who has more money than he knows what to do with. The strongest difference is the fact that dealers need to keep a great reputation in their dealings - private sellers do not. If you sell cars for your business, you might not want to rip people off. If you sell your car for more than it's worth, you have no dealership reputation to harm, and you can only benefit by selling to someone willing to pay too much. So, yes, there is a major difference in private sellers vs distributors.

The reality of the situation is, even if he wasn't selling it, it would still be his car, and it wouldn't matter one bit to anyone looking to buy a Camaro. It doesn't affect you at all unless you buy the car. I don't think that many people are going to purchase a new Camaro with the intent of selling it immediately. Some will, but most will not.

[detroitboy]

Don't forget that the private owner paid a couple thousand dollars in sales tax and registration fees in addition to the cost of the car at MSRP. So how much profit is he really going to make in the end?
The dealer does not have that additional cost before he gets into profit range.

[dragonZ28]

Originally Posted by detroitboy

Don't forget that the private owner paid a couple thousand dollars in sales tax and registration fees in addition to the cost of the car at MSRP. So how much profit is he really going to make in the end?
The dealer does not have that additional cost before he gets into profit range.

Don't forget about the murderous eBay fees as well.

EDIT: I like your Camaro build

[mutant chicken]

Originally Posted by toesuf94

This person is a flipper - ordered early just to dump it. While I do not blame the person for making money, I hate the fact that Camaro fans are still waiting for cars while this person obviously never really wanted the thing in the first place. Sad.

My family was at the dealer on Oct. 13th because we want the car, we want to drive it, enjoy it. While I really can't blame someone for wanting to make a profit, sucks that this person already has their car while our order is still at 1100 !!!!!

[Shifty 6]

Originally Posted by Iwantone2

I have to take RPO's side on this one...why do people only bash the dealers when they do this? Think about it for a few minutes...

On the other hand, it is the person's car and they can do whatever they please with it. I think him, along with some dealers are following one of Murhpy's Laws, "It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money".

If anybody seriously considers bidding on or buying a Camaro for way more than they should be paying, than they are suckers!

Man how long does it take you to go shopping for groceries? I mean since you are negotiating on every items, hoping to get the milk below sticker price. And how in the world were you able to negotiate with the power company to lower your bill? Or did they throw in a set of company hats to make you feel like you got a super deal?


It happens every time you buy something. Has no one ever heard the term free market or capitalism? Good grief what if those people won the lottery and they just don't care?