Chevrolet: why we lead to believe in a lie?

[mr02Z/28]

doesn't the 2012 Corvette have a starting MSRP of $49,525 ?????

cheaper compared to the ZL1, I would say

[BowtieBelle]

Originally Posted by mr02Z/28

doesn't the 2012 Corvette have a starting MSRP of $49,525 ?????

cheaper compared to the ZL1, I would say

For a base model yes. One equivalent to what the ZL1 gets you is more expensive. That wasn't the point of my post -- apparently you missed the whole point-- anyway I'm not gonna argue over the Internet just silly.

Going back to my hole now.


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[ffrcobra_65]

hmmm maybe I'll just slap on a ZL1 front and back bumpers and hood on my SS for now until "she who writes the checks" gives the greenlight on the ZL1.

[calbert1999]

Doesn't matter to me if it's a real one or fake one if you like the body on the ZL1 go for it, buy the parts from GM. I'd say it's better than cutting holes in your stock bumper to have a similar look. As for GM selling the parts to non-ZL1 owners I guess corporations will do anything to make a buck these days.

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

TROOF!

It's just a supercharged engine with better suspension, better brakes, and upgraded outer body panels. Underneath, its the same car.

Get use to it OP....posers are going to install the ZL1 parts in their V6 to make it look like the better car.

Actually it's a lot more than that, but you are off to a good start.

It's still a Camaro, correct, but it's more than just the few upgrades you mentioned.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

Actually it's a lot more than that, but you are off to a good start.

It's still a Camaro, correct, but it's more than just the few upgrades you mentioned.

Yeah it's a few more aftermarket products than the few he mentioned.

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Yeah it's a few more aftermarket products than the few he mentioned.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

Actually it's a lot more than that, but you are off to a good start.

It's still a Camaro, correct, but it's more than just the few upgrades you mentioned.

I'm pretty sure he's aware of that. I think it's funny though, that some of the same people who declared the past GT500's as being nothing more that a Mustang GT with a bigger engine are now in the position of defending the ZL1 against the same commentary years later. (Not directed at you Shurenuff.)

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by tooslow

I'm pretty sure he's aware of that. I think it's funny though, that some of the same people who declared the past GT500's as being nothing more that a Mustang GT with a bigger engine are now in the position of defending the ZL1 against the same commentary years later. (Not directed at you Shurenuff.)

Unlike some bias folks I don't care what the car is. Like an onion I'm trained to peel away all the hype and sugar coating and then just tell it like I see it.

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by UnleashedBeast

I agree, as Ford sells GT500 body panels to anyone who wants it. I'm sure Chevy will do the same thing.

Certain "aftermarket" Mustang builders are a bit more restrictive over their "exclusive" body panels. The GT500KR parts have to come from Shelby Auto, i.e. the KR hood. It's carbon fiber, extremely expensive, and at one point in time would not sell it to someone who did not have a KR. This has changed, now you can buy it, but it's still super expensive. Since aftermarket companies have re-created the hood, no one buys it.



You sir, have hit the NAIL on the head.

My car is nothing more than a larger engine, dressed up Mustang GT. It has a nicer interior, better looking front and rear bumper covers, different badges, different OEM struts, shocks, and springs, etc.

Overall, it's the same exact car underneath all the extra add on and changes. However, I can say that it was confirmed that the GT500 unibody actually was a little different. In some areas, the metal is thicker to increase rigidity for the added torque of the 5.4L supercharged mill, and accounted for some of the added weight to the GT500 platform.

The ZL1 is NO different, no matter how much the fan boys try to say it's different.

I would partially agree with you, however, there are some things that aren’t as simple as bolt-ons. I can bolt parts on all day for cheaper as mentioned. Hood, fascia, spoiler, wheels, tires, dampers, springs, supercharger… but -

Where can I get a bolt on aero package tested in the wind tunnel? You would have to buy EVERY ZL1 component open to the air to assure the aero performance guaranteed by the ZL1. This includes the obvious, but also the under tray, wheels, brake cooling ducts, etc…

Where can I get bolt on (active or inactive) suspension tuned to the car? Hours upon hours of suspension tuning went into the ZL1… where can I get aftermarket suspension pre-tuned to my specific car (tires, weight distribution, aero…)?

Where can I buy PTM? And how do I tune this to the rest of the car?

Anyone, given enough time and money, can come up with a great car made of aftermarket components. The key is TIME and MONEY. If that is your hobby, great – buy a data system and start the trial and error process. Hopefully you are versatile enough to be an engineer, driver, etc. all in one.

The ZL1 is a package handed over to you – more than an engine package, more than an appearance package, etc. It is a proven system that works together. I’m not trying to imply that there aren’t other cars out there that offer the same complete package, but not other Camaros. Some will have more power, some will be faster at the drag strip, but not many will offer the refined package of the ZL1 for the cost.

I personally don’t care if people bolt-on parts from the ZL1 onto their Camaro, the full performance benefits will never be realized as they will be with a stock ZL1.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

I would partially agree with you, however, there are some things that aren’t as simple as bolt-ons. I can bolt parts on all day for cheaper as mentioned. Hood, facial, spoiler, wheels, tires, dampers, springs, supercharger… but -

Where can I get a bolt on aero package tested in the wind tunnel? You would have to buy EVERY ZL1 component open to the air to assure the aero performance guaranteed by the ZL1. This includes the obvious, but also the under tray, wheels, brake cooling ducts, etc…

Where can I get bolt on (active or inactive) suspension tuned to the car? Hours upon hours of suspension tuning went into the ZL1… where can I get aftermarket suspension pre-tuned to my specific car (tires, weight distribution, aero…)?

Where can I buy PTM? And how do I tune this to the rest of the car?

Anyone, given enough time and money, can come up with a great car made of aftermarket components. The key is TIME and MONEY. If that is your hobby, great – buy a data system and start the trial and error process. Hopefully you are versatile enough to be an engineer, driver, etc. all in one.

The ZL1 is a package handed over to you – more than an engine package, more than an appearance package, etc. It is a proven system that works together. I’m not trying to imply that there aren’t other cars out there that offer the same complete package, but not other Camaros. Some will have more power, some will be faster at the drag strip, but not many will offer the refined package of the ZL1 for the cost.

I personally don’t care if people bolt-on parts from the ZL1 onto their Camaro, the full performance benefits will never be realized as they will be with a stock ZL1.

True dat'. You now have $100k 1968 vehicles that perform 100x better than most current vehicles. It's all in how much do you want to pay for it. For some follks they don't have the option to trade up their recently purchased Camaro for a new one just to have some of the benefits, so having the option to buy aftermarket bolt on engine, suspension or body parts is a good option for them.

[midnighter]

This is a '69 Dodge Charger SE with a 500 grill and trunk stripe. (photoshopped)

[mr02Z/28]

LoL.... either way