01-08-2012, 01:08 PM | #15 |
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It looks good. Seems like Cadillac's design theme is getting a little softer though.
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Well since everyone is now breaking embargo thanks to some moron on some VW forum (WTF?), might as well throw this up now.
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It will.
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Spill the beans on the Sonic? Full details were released a while ago. Its been on sale for months.
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I guess the rumors about weight problems were just that, rumors. That's good to hear, and bodes very well for the 6th gen.
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Looks great. Hey Fen do you have any idea of a price point?
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Probably hovering around the 3-series's price point.
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I will take an ATS-V in Thunder gray with the red interior with the carbon fiber accents please
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Ok it's supposed to compete with the 3 series, which is around $34,500k to start. The 3.0 CTS already starts at $35,000. The cts seemed to sell well but still did not bridge the gap to bring german buyers over, how is this going to be better? Don't get me wrong, I like these and am interesting in getting rid of my cts for one but I still don't understand the 3 series claim. If the 2.0 200hp 4 cylinder ats that's smaller then a CTS debuts at 35k I don't see it being an equal car to the current 2012 270 hp 3.0 V6 CTS. It's going to be a smaller and slower car for the same money. Not to mention the BMW's base engine is 3.0 230hp v6 for $34,500. To compete and outsell the 3 series it's going to have to make the 2.0 under 30k, $29,500 and offer the turbo model for around $35k and the 3.6 should be right at $40k considering a 3.6 CTS can be bought for around 43k new. Hell now you can buy a new 335i bmw for the same as a new 3.6 CTS, Which i've driven both and if I had to choose a new one I'd take the 335i. That thing is quick and fun to drive.
Edit- On a side note I can see the ATS convertible doing well if they can get it to start at around 40k. Right now you can't get a base model 3 series convertible for less then 47k. Heck I can't thing of a nice luxury model convertible for under 45k. |
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The ATS is literally right in line with 3-series. CTS always sorta straddled the line between 3-series and 5-series, when it moves to Alpha for the 3rd gen it will be a true 5-series competitor.
For now there might be some small overlap in the lineup simply because the Alpha CTS won't be ready for a year or so. And no ATS Convertible as far as I know.
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