What should the GM answer be in response to the 2013 GT500 Crustang?

[evolve]

There isnt even a car Ford sells in that catagory. GM has the market by its balls with the vette. If I had the $$ a Z06 would be be in my stable :-)

[The Chief]

GM's answer should be nothing.
The zl1 is a better car than the gt500.

[camslambam]

Originally Posted by The Chief

GM's answer should be nothing.
The zl1 is a better car than the gt500.

lol

[VADER SS L99]

I am a Camaro fan as much as everyone but I think some of you guys need to open your minds a little and stop thinking with your pride. I dont think traction is going to be as big of a deal with the new GT500. I have already read about how much money they invested in a launch control system. Even if traction is an issue I would have to agree that with drag radial tires it will probably run away from the 2012 ZL1. To those who think this is a bolt on or mod you are just making excuses. Putting some DR's on a otherwise bone stock car is NOT a mod in my book. You guys need to come to reality. GM made this car for the sole purpose of going after the GT500 market so what is it going to look like if the 2013 ZL1 gets its ass handed to it. All you guys who still say we have the Vette make me laugh. Yeah ok but like I said Gm made this car to compete with the GT500. They did not make ANY Vette to compete with ANY
Mustang. They have bigger fish to fry on that one.

What GM needs to do for the 2013 model is either man up and put a LS9 in the car or build an entirely new motor. I really think its going to take about 680 crank HP with a manual ZL1 and about 650 crank hp with an automatic ZL1 to beat the 2013 GT500 in the 1/4 mile. (when both cars have no traction issues and equal drivers)

[RedRooster]

Originally Posted by The Chief

GM's answer should be nothing.
The zl1 is a better car than the gt500.

And yet neither car currently exists outside of prototypes.

You guys need to come to reality. GM made this car for the sole purpose of going after the GT500 market so what is it going to look like if the 2013 ZL1 gets its ass handed to it. All you guys who still say we have the Vette make me laugh.

No kidding. I love the 'vette comments.

"Yeah, well we still have the 'vette!"

Great. We weren't comparing the GT500 to the 'vette, we're comparing it to the ZL1.

Look, as I pointed out above, this entire conversation is pointless until both cars exist in production form and are compared head to head. Otherwise, any claims of one car being superior to the other are pure fiction because no one knows either way because they don't exist yet.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by DARKANGELCAMARO

First off, I am a die-hard Chevy owner with a 2SS/RS and a C6 Z06. I just read in Car & Driver that Ford's response to the ZL1 is a 650 horsepower GT500. Thats pretty crazy. Just when I thought the GT500 was gonna be trumped by some forced induction medicine. Now GM has to up the ante again. What do you all think they should do now?

: chevy:

People will be bias depending on if you're on a Camaro of Mustang forum, but to me it's pretty damn obvous that GM continues to lose the battle.
650hp. is 80hp. more and I doubt it very much Ford's just going to throw out some horses without stabilizing the vehicle to have better traction.
So, it doesn't take a Mustang loving, rocket scientist with a PHD to figure out GM is hands down beat, and should have forged the internals of the LSA (LS9) and placed a real blower on it before placing in the ZL1 or they must come out with an LS7 powered Z/28, forged / stroked and ready for "real" boost, otherwise the 2014, 2015, and 2016 Mustangs will continue run rough-shot over our poor Camaros'.
Sorry, for the un-biased truth from a SS lover but the facts speak for themselves, early bird gets the worm for breakfast, all others starving finishes last.

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I am a Camaro fan as much as everyone but I think some of you guys need to open your minds a little and stop thinking with your pride. I dont think traction is going to be as big of a deal with the new GT500. I have already read about how much money they invested in a launch control system. Even if traction is an issue I would have to agree that with drag radial tires it will probably run away from the 2012 ZL1. To those who think this is a bolt on or mod you are just making excuses. Putting some DR's on a otherwise bone stock car is NOT a mod in my book. You guys need to come to reality. GM made this car for the sole purpose of going after the GT500 market so what is it going to look like if the 2013 ZL1 gets its ass handed to it. All you guys who still say we have the Vette make me laugh. Yeah ok but like I said Gm made this car to compete with the GT500. They did not make ANY Vette to compete with ANY
Mustang. They have bigger fish to fry on that one.

What GM needs to do for the 2013 model is either man up and put a LS9 in the car or build an entirely new motor. I really think its going to take about 680 crank HP with a manual ZL1 and about 650 crank hp with an automatic ZL1 to beat the 2013 GT500 in the 1/4 mile. (when both cars have no traction issues and equal drivers)

Wow. I thought it was only me that had any logical brain cells left in my head after buying an Camaro. Personally, I think they should have started the SS with forged internals LS3, did a ZL1 with a a blower (LS3 with SC and forged it), and now if they wanted to come out with a killer package for anything else out there in the Camaro bring back a super killer forged NA LS7 Z/28 with optional "real" supercharger. Either way, I agree man up and put a real engine in the car that can compete yearly.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I am a Camaro fan as much as everyone but I think some of you guys need to open your minds a little and stop thinking with your pride. I dont think traction is going to be as big of a deal with the new GT500. I have already read about how much money they invested in a launch control system. Even if traction is an issue I would have to agree that with drag radial tires it will probably run away from the 2012 ZL1. To those who think this is a bolt on or mod you are just making excuses. Putting some DR's on a otherwise bone stock car is NOT a mod in my book. You guys need to come to reality. GM made this car for the sole purpose of going after the GT500 market so what is it going to look like if the 2013 ZL1 gets its ass handed to it. All you guys who still say we have the Vette make me laugh. Yeah ok but like I said Gm made this car to compete with the GT500. They did not make ANY Vette to compete with ANY
Mustang. They have bigger fish to fry on that one.

What GM needs to do for the 2013 model is either man up and put a LS9 in the car or build an entirely new motor. I really think its going to take about 680 crank HP with a manual ZL1 and about 650 crank hp with an automatic ZL1 to beat the 2013 GT500 in the 1/4 mile. (when both cars have no traction issues and equal drivers)

Originally Posted by calbert1999

People will be bias depending on if you're on a Camaro of Mustang forum, but to me it's pretty damn obvous that GM continues to lose the battle.
650hp. is 80hp. more and I doubt it very much Ford's just going to throw out some horses without stabilizing the vehicle to have better traction.
So, it doesn't take a Mustang loving, rocket scientist with a PHD to figure out GM is hands down beat, and should have forged the internals of the LSA (LS9) and placed a real blower on it before placing in the ZL1 or they must come out with an LS7 powered Z/28, forged / stroked and ready for "real" boost, otherwise the 2014, 2015, and 2016 Mustangs will continue run rough-shot over our poor Camaros'.
Sorry, for the un-biased truth from a SS lover but the facts speak for themselves, early bird gets the worm for breakfast, all others starving finishes last.




Wow. I thought it was only me that had any logical brain cells left in my head after buying an Camaro. Personally, I think they should have started the SS with forged internals LS3, did a ZL1 with a a blower (LS3 with SC and forged it), and now if they wanted to come out with a killer package for anything else out there in the Camaro bring back a super killer forged NA LS7 Z/28 with optional "real" supercharger. Either way, I agree man up and put a real engine in the car that can compete yearly.

Glad to see posts like these and members who are "open minded" enough to realize the real deal. I am as big a Camaro fan as the next guy here but the bottom line, traction issue (if there is one bad enough on the 2013 GT500) is easily cured with a few hundred $ of tires and for the ZL1 to compete in a straight line, it will have to do more than just tires and mod to a point the factory warranty becomes voided.
The glaring and undeniable facts are: minimum 650hp for the GT500 and 300 pound less than ZL1. The stock 5.4 (will be 5.8) can handle much much more additional power than the LS3.

Another thing, the current GT500 with the SVTPP option is already a capable road course car (it beats the 911s, CTS-Vs, and M3s) so I would think the new GT500 with its upgraded suspension will be even better.

I love the ZL1 and will have one but the GT500 will be a monster.

[8cd03gro]

An even more entertaining question to me is:

What are Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and the like going to do when Chevy and Ford are knocking on the door of their supercars in a straight line?

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

An even more entertaining question to me is:

What are Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and the like going to do when Chevy and Ford are knocking on the door of their supercars in a straight line?

True. Practically, could have a really super-duper, doubly bad ass Camaro for the money these guys pay. It's embarrassing.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

An even more entertaining question to me is:

What are Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, and the like going to do when Chevy and Ford are knocking on the door of their supercars in a straight line?

Now this intrigues me!

[Z/28orSs]

GM doesnt really need to answer this at all.
But they could offer the 454 lsx as an option IMHO

But they shouldnt waste there time save the money and invest in the 6th gen cuz i wanna see a camaro stay in the line up!!

[RedRooster]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

True. Practically, could have a really super-duper, doubly bad ass Camaro for the money these guys pay. It's embarrassing.

I'm pretty sure the guys buying Lambos, Porsches and Ferraris wouldn't even consider a Chevy or a Ford.

Afterall, at the end of the day, we're still driving a Dodge/Ford/Chevy, and he's got an exotic. Most of those guys don't care about having the fastest car on the planet.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by RedRooster

I'm pretty sure the guys buying Lambos, Porsches and Ferraris wouldn't even consider a Chevy or a Ford.

Afterall, at the end of the day, we're still driving a Dodge/Ford/Chevy, and he's got an exotic. Most of those guys don't care about having the fastest car on the planet.

True, but they care about the car being elite and Ferrari's market share is so small they don't want to lose any. You better believe Ferrari is worried about camaro and mustang being sold for under 60k with more power than their cars. I bet the next upgrade to the 458 will be some huge power increase.

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by RedRooster

I'm pretty sure the guys buying Lambos, Porsches and Ferraris wouldn't even consider a Chevy or a Ford.

Afterall, at the end of the day, we're still driving a Dodge/Ford/Chevy, and he's got an exotic. Most of those guys don't care about having the fastest car on the planet.

I get more attention in my SS than Ferrari any day, people even take pictures of it. Especially when I start it up their faces light up like a xmas tree, then a Ferrari buzzes by like a lawn mower and nobody notices.
You bet people with Ferraris have the largest egos in town, the last thing they want is to get their asses wooped by a $30k car with a few mods.

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

True, but they care about the car being elite and Ferrari's market share is so small they don't want to lose any. You better believe Ferrari is worried about camaro and mustang being sold for under 60k with more power than their cars. I bet the next upgrade to the 458 will be some huge power increase.

If they don't they'll be looking pretty damn stupid with some awesome looking 580hp GM, 650hp. Ford, and a 630hp. Dodge busting thier cranks. You bet they're noticing and calling their exotic manufacturers asking "what the helll is going on here?".