My new OBX headers :-)

[kennyo]

For crissakes....these big boys don't even have to match the OBX price,just come close and make it more palatable.Some of these setups are $600-700 more than the OBX.

[1sweet11SS]

Originally Posted by aqueous blue

I hate these OBX header threads. I can't believe people will create a thread to support OBX headers.

What can't you believe? People are happy they purchased an item they are pleased with while putting the extra $$$ they saved into somethig else....maybe even into an American company (dyno tune). Get over yourself.

Originally Posted by aqueous blue

It flat out makes me sick. I grew up in an American town where more than 10,000 steel workers lost their jobs when the steel mills closed up in the early 80s. Because of this, I watched some hardworking guys lose their lively hood, houses, musclecars, etc., just because of the foreign competitive steel market.

Oh please....Welcome to the 1990s, 2000s, and now 2010s global market. I remember in the 80s when my dad was a general manager for a battery manufacturing plant and jobs started moving out, first CA (due to changing environmental laws), then to other places... My father pushed me to go to college and not just take up a trade (if i wanted a trade, he supported me, but demanded I also attended college). He passed on that if you want to remain competative you need to adapt and change, rather than sit on some barstool at some local bar (with you face in a bottle) or typing on some car forum and talk about "the good ol' days" and how we beat those damn "Japs" in WWII and now we are buying their cars.....daaaaag nabbit!

If you want to push American made products, please show me how much better it is, cost/value, and I may/may not buy it. I want to see/hear about it. Ultimately it's my choice. But please get off your high horse and quit the whining...."I can't believe you would buy that". Lucille Ball voice ---> "whaaaaa! whaaaaaa!"

Originally Posted by aqueous blue

You've got to be kidding me, if you think you are doing the right thing by buying OBX headers.

Absolutely I am. No one is going to force me to pay $1100 for headers if I choose not to.

Originally Posted by aqueous blue

If you want to save a few bucks, go at it, because its your money and you can do whatever you want with your money.

BINGO!

Originally Posted by aqueous blue

But I for one, would think much less of one of the greatest American icon cars, the Camaro, that had the aftermarket OBX headers installed on it.

You mean Canadian Camaro icon correct?

If you want an American icon car, buy a Honda Accord, Acura TL, or Acura RDX. At least they're assembled in Ohio by American Workers. That plant first opened in 1982 (good ol' days) and has the capacity to assemble 440,000 cars annually. Today this plant is the sole global source of the above mentioned cars, while also building more than 90% of the Honda Accord Sedans sold in America. Get off the barstool..... Welcome to 2012.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by 1sweet11SS

What can't you believe? People are happy they purchased an item they are pleased with while putting the extra $$$ they saved into somethig else....maybe even into an American company (dyno tune). Get over yourself.





Oh please....Welcome to the 1990s, 2000s, and now 2010s global market. I remember in the 80s when my dad was a general manager for a battery manufacturing plant and jobs started moving out, first CA (due to changing environmental laws), then to other places... My father pushed me to go to college and not take up a trade. He passed on that if you want to remain competative you need to adapt and change, rather than sit on some barstool at some local bar (with you face in a bottle) or typing on some car forum and talk about "the good ol' days" and how we beat those damn "Japs" in WWII and now we are buying their cars.....daaaaag nabbit!

If you want to push American made products, please show me how much better it is, cost/value, and I may/may not buy it. I want to see/hear about it. Ultimately it's my choice. But please get off your high horse and quit the whining...."I can't believe you would buy that". Lucille Ball voice ---> "whaaaaa! whaaaaaa!"



Absolutely I am. No one is going to force me to pay $1100 for headers if I choose not to.



BINGO!



You mean Canadian Camaro icon correct?

If you want an American icon car, buy a Honda Accord, Acura TL, or Acura RDX. At least they're assembled in Ohio by American Workers. That plant first opened in 1982 (good ol' days) and has the capacity to assemble 440,000 cars annually. Today this plant is the sole global source of the above mentioned cars, while also building more than 90% of the Honda Accord Sedans sold in America. Get off the barstool..... Welcome to 2012.

X1000! You gotta love the hypocrites on a australian / canadian / mexican / chinese built camaro forum complaining about american jobs. Welcome to 2012 and get off your high horse is right!

[ss/rs-matt]

Just to try and put this horribly d-railed thread back on track. This is what I got for $650, a beautiful set of very well constructed stainless steel headers with cats that will preform and last a lifetime and then some.

[67motorcat]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Just to try and put this horribly d-railed thread back on track. This is what I got for $650, a beautiful set of very well constructed stainless steel headers with cats that will preform and last a lifetime and then some.

Yes I agree.....very nice indeed.

And will certainly last just a long as anything out there.

Nice try though.....every OBX thread on this site has been derailed by one particular Vendor,thats for sure

[Lee123]

I appreciate you posting this with the pictures, Matt. I hadn't considered headers but reading how easy the job is and seeing the pictures has got me seriously thinking about it. One more question. How high did you have to lift the car to get them under it and install them? I've got a heavy duty floor jack, but that's all.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by Lee123

I appreciate you posting this with the pictures, Matt. I hadn't considered headers but reading how easy the job is and seeing the pictures has got me seriously thinking about it. One more question. How high did you have to lift the car to get them under it and install them? I've got a heavy duty floor jack, but that's all.

No problem! That's what I used, a regular floor jack and 2 jack stands.

[aqueous blue]

I think we all know where the Camaro is designed, built, and where various parts come from, etc. I'm speaking about an aftermarket part that we have some control over to make a choice of what we put on our Camaro. So, the subject matter is the OBX header. There appears to be a very small vocal group that get on hear looking for moral support because they know that they bought a cheap generic foreign product and put it on their American Chevrolet car. There is nothing you can say that can convince me that the decision to buy an OBX header is an intellectual one or morally correct one.

[mgoodbar]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

Okay..so lets look at this from another perspective. You have a Cold Air Inductions Intake, and Borla Atak Catback. Combined they cost about $1600. Now you could have bought a K&N Intake for $250, and done a muffler delete for $150, and saved $1200. That's a cam, install, and tune worth of savings. Your car would still be loud, and would make within 5 HP of what it does now. Sure the parts would not be as nice..but the end result is the same. You can spend your money anyway you want, but I see this with a lot of customers. You have a ton of cheap options for catbacks, and intakes, yet people buy what won this dyno test, or who made the fanciest youtube video. Then when it comes time to buy headers, it turns into let's go to Walmart and buy the cheapest option possible? Not really trying to flame you...just honestly trying to understand the logic.



Actually a Macbook Pro is basically the same inside as a Dell, just put in a shiny aluminum case and marked up 300% with some nice marketing. They are even in many cases made by the same Chinese contract manufactuer. For the average user a Mac and Dell are about the same..but the Apple in nicer quality if you know what you are looking at. 300% nice quality is debatle..but with the way Mac's sell..some people agree. Not faulting him though..I have all Mac's my self and like buying nice, high quality things.




Except for the install cost? And your math is wrong too. $700 is not too far off what a nice set costs.




And see..people can make competely out of left field, wrong statements like this..and I am just supposed to ignore it?



I will if you sell me a set of real Oakley's for the price of fake ones?



??????



So...if I sell you a set of Kooks for the price of a set of flea market immitations you would buy? I guess that is becoming the American mentality.

Umm no If i only pay 700 for the set up, i can install them my self, I dont have to pay someone to do it for me, I have been working on hot rods for 20 years now.. I have also been watching prices spike for these 20 years. in 3 years a set of Kooks for our cars with cats will be 600 bucks... when the next hot thing comes out and headders just start sittin on the shelf and not moving, the price will drop.

So you are agreaing that people mark up prices 300% well thats a first step in saying we are getting riped of for buying 1300 dollar headders.

real Oakley's for the price of fake ones.. Well if you just wait a little bit what coust you 100 dollars today will only cost you 20 dollars tomorrow.

So...if I sell you a set of Kooks for the price of a set of flea market immitations you would buy? I guess that is becoming the American mentality.[/QUOTE]

No not at all I still want the Kooks, I just dont want to sell my left kidney for them. your right this is the american way. the rich get richer why the poor get poorer..... someone has something you want and its new and shiney, and the fad, so everyone will want it.. so lets mark up the price so high that only the elete few can get them. Then as we sell sell and less of them we will slowly drop the price.. Things are only worth what people are willing to pay...

[ParisTNDude]

I read 30 or 40 posts on this subject and just want to say, I bought my Kooks headers from MarylandSpeed and payed a little more than for the OBX. They fit perfect, sound great and were a dynamite improvement in performance. Marylandspeed was super to pick up the phone and provide the customer service I expect and I have a product, designed, manufactured and supported by American companys. I follow the "gold flow" issue with China carefully and just can't support any country that will do anything to undercut the US market unfairly. If you look at computers built in China some years back, they were really cheap at first to buy and now that they have the market cornered, the prices are now much more expensive. If and when the US header market dies, watch what happens to the price. Just my opinion. If none of that bothers you, buy the product you want and I'm happy for you. I just can't see Hennessy, Lingenfelter, Rousch and others doing that.

[mgoodbar]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

I give you props for at least all your mods being value based. My point on the Mac is that inside, it is the same parts as Dell, but with a 3x mark up because of the Apple designed case and software. They are likely even made by the same company in China. Of course..if Kooks were selling several million headers like Apple does, price would come way down. In reality I am gonna guess they sell more like 700-1000 units.

And I really don't want anyone to take anything super personal..I am just passionate about what I do.

Well if it cost 700 for Kooks with cats, like it does OBX, I would bet everyone on here would be running Kooks. so that would be 20,000 or more in sales... just saying..

[ss/rs-matt]

I love the golden purple these things turn after about 150 miles. No CEL yet either.

[Etherij]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

I love the golden purple these things turn after about 150 miles. No CEL yet either.

I'm sure it's coming! Lmao. I can't wait to get mine!!!!!

[mgoodbar]

I see both sides about these headders. Yes they look like kooks. Is he happy? yes he is! Do I agree our country is going down the drain yep... has been for years. But no one on here can really talk unless you dont go to walmart to buy stuff. half of the stuff they sell is from over seas. Did you know that the great value brand of bread is the exact same recipe as wonder bread.. wep i worked there. walmart told wonder bread if they wanted to sell bread there they would give them there exact same recipe in there great value brand.. same for all great value products.. But walmart is a american company..

Buessness is all going over sea's.. Why cost of manufacture. It is cheaper to have things made over there. So I understand why so many are upset about these OBX headders. How ever It does not give anyone the right to , Bash anyone else just becouse they bought some. They could advise against it, but thats it. Matt already bought his headders and he is happy..


Hey, just becouse some one has X car does not mean that they can afford X part..

I dont know what else to say....