Crystal Red TintCoat and 3000 Status

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by brucedd

COME ON CHEVY, JUMP IN AND DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!

I hear you say you listen, but honestly, from my experience, you are too busy telling us how it is gonna be to actually hear a thing.

I don't think the problem is that Chevrolet is not listening. These types of startup production issues are typical with a new vehicle that has yet to be produced or is just starting production for the first time, and these issues are not unique to Chevrolet or General Motors, as they occur with other manufacturers also. None of these initial startup production glitches related to the ZL1 should come as a surprise to anyone who is familiar with manufacturing a mass produced product.

I believe that people would be less likely to get upset and have more patience if they would keep in mind that dealing with these types of initial production issues is part of the price that one has to pay to be among the first to obtain a new vehicle. If one doesn't want to have to deal with production startup issues, then one would be wise to wait to order a new vehicle until after vehicle production is well under way and the early production issues have been resolved.

Of course, production issues can always occur at anytime during a vehicle's life cycle, but, under typical circumstances, production issues are less likely to occur after the initial startup production issues have been resolved and the vehicle production pipeline has been running smoothly.

[SlingShot]

This whole thread is pointless ... The car was ordered in a color that wasn't available. The order was changed to "Plan B" ... Then we get pissed that the color we wanted in the first place became available after our order was picked up.
You made an adult decision based on the information available, deal with it or cancel the order and start over. Life happens, now you know the "Meaning of Life" ...

[illiceman]

ALREADY ON CONSTRAINT.I hope it is short.

[brucedd]

Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

You don't know me. I have been around the Camaro for a very long time. I am an old fart and and I am not preaching. Just tired of the bashing and whining I hear which is probably just a minority. My car is at 2030 and I expect to see it hopefully in March. If not then I will be fine with April, May or whenever it's ready.

It is a fantastic car. It is a great price for what we are getting. I am lucky to have people like FBodfather care even more than I do.

I am constantly amazed at his patience. He is more passion for the Camaro than anyone here, offers his knowledge and patience even though he has to read the same stuff over and over and yet he sticks with us.

You have every right to spend your money anywhere you want. I hope you will spend it on a Camaro and continue to support GM. That is where your vote really counts. You just sound unhappy about the way GM approaches this. Vote with your wallet. We will know it wasn't as bad as you make it sound if you stick with the best car for the dollar around.

So, yes I am qualified to give my opinion even though I only recently joined this site.

What are your qualifications?

First, you don't know me either yet you are the one that decided to bash me for having the nerve to not ignore the shortcomings of this rediculously flawed ordering process. If you think this is well done, you probably think Bernie Madoff was a financial genius too.

THOSE are qualifications? I have been around Camaro a very long time" ?

Do you have a ZL1 on pre-order since April? Did you stand as they opened the doors on October 29th to get the actual order in the system?

Read what I wrote and those are my qualifications, I have been trying to do the right thing for this car and actually get it the way I want it for over a year. Not too much to ask, they are NOT giving anything away. Yes it is a great value, but to have poorly thought through actions have such a significant effect on my order is infuriating.

I am plopping down MY 60K, I am not just a spectator passing judgement with zero authority, even less knowledge, and a bit too much Kool-aid.

This is an amazing car that happens to be GM, happens to be a Camaro. That does have special meaning to me for a number of reasons, but that does not mean aspects of customer service and efficient process can be abandoned just because a ZL1 nameplate will go on the vehicle.

You are very wrong about me, yet you continue to call my character into question. I am disappointed with a number of poor decisions GM made regarding this vehicle. I am MORE happy with the multitude of great decisions. If you can't comprehend the disappointment of the constant you cant have blue, you cant have exposed carbon, and worst of all, we have Crystal Red, but you can't have that either, then please give me your direct contact info, I have several bridges to sell you that you will be VERY happy with. Although I suspect your lack of comprehension is more related to not having an actual order in for this vehicle.

[brucedd]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

This whole thread is pointless ... The car was ordered in a color that wasn't available. The order was changed to "Plan B" ... Then we get pissed that the color we wanted in the first place became available after our order was picked up.
You made an adult decision based on the information available, deal with it or cancel the order and start over. Life happens, now you know the "Meaning of Life" ...

if you are going to comment, at least get the facts you are challenging right.

and do you have one on order either?

[KaotiK]

Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

Maybe you can't have your cake an eat it too. You want information immediately and you want to order the car now, but then you want them to wait.

You guys kill me.
Cancel your order, put a new one in with what you want and wait for it. Everyone seems to want instant gratification these days. I don't know if I were Chevy or Ford or anyone else, if I would commit to anything before it was ready. If the product is good enough and a good value, people will buy it.

Well said!

[mmarx82]

Originally Posted by brucedd

First, you don't know me either yet you are the one that decided to bash me for haveing the never to not ignore the shorcomings of this rediculously flawed ordering process. If you think this is well done, you probably think Bernie Madoff was a financial genius too.

THOSE are qualifications? I have been around Camaro a very long time" Mauahahahaha.

LOL Do you have a ZL1 on pre-order since April? Did you stand ats they opened the doors on October 29th to get the actual order in the system?

Read what I wrote and those are my qualifications, I have been trying to do the right thing for this car and actually get it the way I want it for over a year. Not too much to ask, they are NOT giving anything away. Yes it is agreat value, but to have poorly thought through actions have such a significant effect on my order is infuriating.

I am plopping down MY 60K, not a spectator passing judgement with zero authority, even less knowledge, and a bit too much Kool-aid.

This is an amazing car that happens to be a GM, happens to be a Camaro. That does have special meaning to me for a number of reasons, but that does not mean aspects of customer service and efficient process can be abandoned because a ZL1 nameplate will go on the vehicle.

You are very wrong about me, yet you continue to call my character into question. I am disappointed with a number of poor decisions GM made regarding this vehicle. I am MORE happy with the multitude of great decisions. If you cant comprehend the disappointment of the constant you cant have blue, you cant have exposed carbon, and worst of all, we have Crystal Red, but you can't have that either, then please give me your direct contact info, I have several bridges to sell you that you will be VERY happy with.

Alright you need to cool it, were here to talk about the Camaro not bash one another, how I have read this thread he was not just talking about you but a lot of people here at Camaro5 in general, his second comment wasnt even a bash at you but you reply back like it was. KNOCK IT OFF! As another member said, you made an adult decision to change your order and now you complain about it... It's time to grow up.

BTW, officially, you did not have a pre-order until Oct-Nov when orders could be submitted so there is no trying to get it right for over a year mess that your talking about. Anything else you think you had was an agreement between you and your dealer which could have changed at any moment.

[Harley1]

Somebody call the whambulance....

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I don't think the problem is that Chevrolet is not listening. These types of startup production issues are typical with a new vehicle that has yet to be produced or is just starting production for the first time, and these issues are not unique to Chevrolet or General Motors, as they occur with other manufacturers also. None of these initial startup production glitches related to the ZL1 should come as a surprise to anyone who is familiar with manufacturing a mass produced product.

I believe that people would be less likely to get upset and have more patience if they would keep in mind that dealing with these types of initial production issues is part of the price that one has to pay to be among the first to obtain a new vehicle. If one doesn't want to have to deal with production startup issues, then one would be wise to wait to order a new vehicle until after vehicle production is well under way and the early production issues have been resolved.

Of course, production issues can always occur at anytime during a vehicle's life cycle, but, under typical circumstances, production issues are less likely to occur after the initial startup production issues have been resolved and the vehicle production pipeline has been running smoothly.

Well said as usual GB!

[OldJedi]

Bruce, what did your dealer say about making the change to CRT?

[506JTF]

Wow. Brucedd I'd just stop posting now because you're wrong. You may have been deceived by your dealer and thought you could change your color but maybe you can't? You decided to "plop down 60k" for something they wasn't produced. You decided to order your dream vehicle in a color you didn't want to hold your spot. You decided to come on camaro5 and complain... Deal with your choices and dont lash out at people here based on your decisions.

Chevrolet reads these forums but they just laugh and giggle and probably put your name on the "do not disturb" list. I wish Chevrolet was vindictive...

[brucedd]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

Bruce, what did your dealer say about making the change to CRT?

They have a call with GM on Monday. First response was that the order could not be changed because it was picked up by production. Second response was that Crystal Red Tintcoat is not on the WOrkbench, Quick Order or otherwise. Third response was to inform me they have a call with the GM rep on this subject Monday.

I will keep you posted.

[brucedd]

The references to the preorder was in response for being bashed for not drinking the kool-aid. You all blow sunshine up the messed up job Chevy does managing this and bash everyone who has a bad word to say about Chevy almighty, then if we respond, we are out of line.

OMG you bunch of brown nosers and phonies.

How can you be so passionate about chevy and so pitifully sumbissive at the same time?