Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[evolve]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Given the type of the technology that was designed into the ZL1, I believe that it's clear that the ZL1 was developed first and foremost to be a track car, and its performance appears to confirm that. The ZL1 performs adequately in a straight line, but I don't believe that was its main intent. If straight line performance is what one cares about most, I doubt that the ZL1 is the right vehicle for that individual.


Again, given the ZL1's technology, I believe that handling is what the ZL1 primary intent is. If straight line performance is all that interests one, then I think that the ZL1 is probably not the appropriate vehicle for that individual.

What does a Tokyo Drifter or Yakuza have to do with a ZL1 discussion?

Figure of speech. But I understand your point entirely and I agree. If I were interested in carving corners at LS or any other track I would sincerely consider a ZL1, but for the price, the Boss offers a good alternative. Also, the ZL1 has very nice tires from the factory which is something the Ford engineers need to consider.

[mr_desmo]

when a little cayman r with all 330hp 3.4 liter 6 cylinder run 12.5 and a 580hp car run 12.6 you have to think its a da.. waste....13mpg....

[HumanWiki]

^except for the $78,150 as tested price and the over 1,000lb weight difference.. Sure, that's a fair comparison when thinking of terms of "what a waste" /s

2012 Porsche Cayman R
BASE PRICE $67,250
PRICE AS TESTED $78,150
VEHICLE LAYOUT Mid-engine, RWD, 2-pass, 2-door hatchback
ENGINE 3.4L/330-hp/273-lb-ft DOHC 24-valve F-6
TRANSMISSION 7-speed twin-clutch auto
CURB WEIGHT (F/R DIST) 3083 lb (45/55%)
WHEELBASE 95.1 in
LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 171.1 x 70.9 x 50.6 in
0-60 MPH 4.2 sec
QUARTER MILE 12.7 sec @ 111.0 mph
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 108 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.01 g (avg)
MT FIGURE EIGHT 24.5 sec @ 0.82 g (avg)
EPA CITY/HWY FUEL ECON 20/29 mpg
ENERGY CONSUMPTION, CITY/HWY 169/116 kW-hrs/100 miles
CO2 EMISSIONS 0.83 lb/mile

[ffrcobra_65]

some folks will never be satisfied no matter what.

[b4z]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

when a little cayman r with all 330hp 3.4 liter 6 cylinder run 12.5 and a 580hp car run 12.6 you have to think its a da.. waste....13mpg....

The all new Porsche 911 Carreras s with only 400hp can 0-60 in 3.5 secs!!!
That is awesome..........there is the little matter of $115,000 but that is not Germaine to this discussion. LOL.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

when a little cayman r with all 330hp 3.4 liter 6 cylinder run 12.5 and a 580hp car run 12.6 you have to think its a da.. waste....13mpg....

The ZL1 and Cayman R is an apples to oranges comparison.

The Cayman R is a two seat sports car that weighs about 2,900 pounds, and has a base MSRP of just under $70,000.00.

Also, from the testing I've seen thus far, a 12.6 1/4 mile time for the ZL1 appears to be an outlier.

[radz28]

Over-hyped, huh?... After all the hooplah about the BOSS, now, some are so easy to disregard ZL1 after it's gone faster in the tests released so far.

That's fine by me. I don't need anyone else to justify ZL1 to me. The numbers bare out the facts. Considering everything a car manufacturer has to go through to validate a car and offer a BETTER warranty - I guess I shouldn't be impressed with Team CAMARO's hard work...

[toesuf94]

GM makes a straight line brawler...called the COPO. Designed purely for straight line performance and ET...if that is your cup of tea - go get one (Dodge and Ford both offer factory racers as well) If you want a well rounded DRIVER'S Car then the ZL1 is what GM is offering. I prefer to enjoy the driving experience, so the ZL1 would be on my list if I were shopping. I don't fit in the Mustang comfortably.

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by radz28

Over-hyped, huh?... After all the hooplah about the BOSS, now, some are so easy to disregard ZL1 after it's gone faster in the tests released so far.

That's fine by me. I don't need anyone else to justify ZL1 to me. The numbers bare out the facts. Considering everything a car manufacturer has to go through to validate a car and offer a BETTER warranty - I guess I shouldn't be impressed with Team CAMARO's hard work...

[toilets]

Not for 54k. This car is just my cup of tea! A little quicker or a little lighter would be nice but my main purposes for this car is time trials and road coursing. And for what I need/want this car for, this big hipped beauty passed with flying colors!

[toilets]

And for what it's worth, I think GM hit a home run with this car. For 54k I can either go do a drag track, or a road course, and be very competitive. Then when I'm done, put the car in street mode, turn on the ac, and cruise home and ready to drive to work the next day. Personally, in this pricing segment of the market, I don't think you will find a better all around car that is good at everything.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by toilets

And for what it's worth, I think GM hit a home run with this car. For 54k I can either go do a drag track, or a road course, and be very competitive. Then when I'm done, put the car in street mode, turn on the ac, and cruise home and ready to drive to work the next day. Personally, in this pricing segment of the market, I don't think you will find a better all around car that is good at everything.

POTD!!! You can't make a drag car handle well anymore than a car that can handle a drag car. This car is going to be a GREAT balance, and one that can be comfortably driven on the street.

One thing that still bugs me when I read it is still the crap comments about visibility out of the car. It seems to me that if you want a car with good visibility, it looks boring, like say, a Mustang. It really has no character to me. I mean - it's no Prius, by any stretch, but that comment just turns me off of a reviewer just for saying that. Either you want a boring car with huge, straight-up windows or you want some actual cool bodylines and good looks; you don't often find both, IMO. I can't think of many cars that pull that combination off.

[spyderbuddy]

Y'all need to remember Chevorlet ZL1 may not out do the Fords Topdog, But Chevorlet's Topdog outruns Most anything, Meet "ZR1" Mustang.

[den318]

Originally Posted by spyderbuddy

Y'all need to remember Chevorlet ZL1 may not out do the Fords Topdog, But Chevorlet's Topdog outruns Most anything, Meet "ZR1" Mustang.

ZR1 meet $110,000. The ZR1 better destroy any Mustang at the price. It's like me saying my brother can beat up your brother. I can't beat you, so meet my brother.