Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by radz28

Doesn't the "base" GT500 get engineering directly through Ford? That was my understanding

So what they just pay shelby to put his name on a car that he had no part in developing? That makes sense? The point im driving at here is if yenko and nickey were still working with gm like they did in the 60s and got their hands on a ZL1 then I really doubt shelby would be so smug.

[zero]

Originally Posted by IOMZL1

First off, it was 2.45 seconds. That can be a lifetime in the racing world. Anyway, 2 seconds at one track means something different than 2 seconds at another track. Considering the relatively short 2.2 mile distance of the track the ZL1 is very impressive. If you look at the data there are very few spots where the Boss 302 closes the gap at all. Typically you might see one car handle better on some portions of the track and the other car handle better on the other portions. This doesn’t really happen here. It is fairly one sided.

The Boss 302 was considered more of a driver’s car than the GT500 and lap times between the two are negligible in difference. It is a Motor Trend / Probst favorite. It outranks the Z06 in this test:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/1109_2011_motor_trend_best_drivers_car/viewall.html

Read what they say in the above article and then realize the ZL1 bests it nearly everywhere.

Now enter the 2013 GT500. It will be impressive and should post better lap times, 0-60 and ¼ mile times than the Boss 302. It will probably beat the ZL1 in a straight line. But on a road course? Unless the track is full of long straights with minimal cornering, I’m placing my money on the ZL1 to equal or best it. I guarantee the GT500 won’t give the driver as much confidence or make the lap time as easy as the ZL1. I could be wrong, but that’s probably why they haven’t posted their Nurburgring times.

How again is this not impressive?

umm..state of the art dampening/ 580 hp/six-piston calipers
VS
live rear axle, crappy brakes/ 444 hp

only 2.45 secs faster?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

So what they just pay shelby to put his name on a car that he had no part in developing? That makes sense? The point im driving at here is if yenko and nickey were still working with gm like they did in the 60s and got their hands on a ZL1 then I really doubt shelby would be so smug.

Shelby had a lot to do with the development of the GT500 since 2007 when it first re-appeared. Companies use people's names on products all the time. I am not a Carrol Shelby fan. He has grown very greedy in his old age. But that is way off topic.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by BLACK10

if im ever up there ill give you a call

745RWHP is a bit out of my league, but I'll still take you up on that offer and go for some drinks.

I do want a ride in that car though if you brought it up. I have plenty of diapers.

[IOMZL1]

Originally Posted by zero

umm..state of the art dampening/ 580 hp/six-piston calipers
VS
live rear axle, crappy brakes/ 444 hp

only 2.45 secs faster?

I think you missed all of my points, let me check…..


Yep every one.



Out of curiosity, what would have impressed you?

[toilets]

From a pro driver... Do you know how much 2.45 seconds is to a pro? In f1 racing that is the difference between 1st and 20th on the starting grid. That is huge! Now take a average driver and put in in both cars and I think the margin will be much greater due to the confidence level the ZL1 gives

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by zero

umm..state of the art dampening/ 580 hp/six-piston calipers
VS
live rear axle, crappy brakes/ 444 hp

only 2.45 secs faster?

To put things into perspective, at 100 miles per hour a 2.45 second difference is approximately 360 feet, well over a football field in length, or roughly 23 car lengths.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by zero

umm..state of the art dampening/ 580 hp/six-piston calipers
VS
live rear axle, crappy brakes/ 444 hp

only 2.45 secs faster?

There's been plenty of races won by a hundreth of a second but they were still wins, just saying

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Shelby had a lot to do with the development of the GT500 since 2007 when it first re-appeared. Companies use people's names on products all the time. I am not a Carrol Shelby fan. He has grown very greedy in his old age. But that is way off topic.

Personally I can't stand him don't think he woulda made it without suckling fords teats I've got way more respect for roush and saleen

But back to the point has the shelby changed so much since then that everything he helped develop has been changed? Ive never really followed shelbys

[evolve]

Originally Posted by zero

umm..state of the art dampening/ 580 hp/six-piston calipers
VS
live rear axle, crappy brakes/ 444 hp

only 2.45 secs faster?

I didnt even think about it this way. If the ZL1 can drop some weight and I think that # will grow quite a bit.

[rez333]

I think if you read between the lines, the Boss' lap time deficit was due to its brakes. If that had been fixed, it would probably have beaten the ZL1. Since there is no mention of improved brakes on the 2013 GT500, one could assume that brakes will be a problem on the 2013 GT500 in lap times too. The Boss has a brake cooling kit, but a brake cooling kit was not mentioned as a feature for the 2013 GT500.

Well done ZL1!

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

Here's my opinion untill ford builds a car to best the ZL1 WITHOUT help from an adtermarket performance company then Im not impressed. The ZL1 was developed by chevy engineers in a chevrolet facility while ford builds their rustangs and ship em off to be tuned.

Quoted for untruth. Do your research on who engineered/built the modern GT500 before posting.

Originally Posted by rez333

I think if you read between the lines, the Boss' lap time deficit was due to its brakes. If that had been fixed, it would probably have beaten the ZL1. Since there is no mention of improved brakes on the 2013 GT500, one could assume that brakes will be a problem on the 2013 GT500 in lap times too. The Boss has a brake cooling kit, but a brake cooling kit was not mentioned as a feature for the 2013 GT500.

Well done ZL1!

Actually, improved (i.e. larger) brakes were specifically mentioned in the Ford press release.

[bpmurr]

Originally Posted by evolve

Figure of speech. But I understand your point entirely and I agree. If I were interested in carving corners at LS or any other track I would sincerely consider a ZL1, but for the price, the Boss offers a good alternative. Also, the ZL1 has very nice tires from the factory which is something the Ford engineers need to consider.

Both the base 2013 GT500 and Performance Pack uses the same Goodyear Tire the ZL1 does.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

Both the base 2013 GT500 and Performance Pack uses the same Goodyear Tire the ZL1 does.

Awesome! So there shouldnt be any complaints about tires from either side!