Hybrid Camaro, new fuel economy rules = way higher price?

[Emher]

*Sigh*



Sorry...I'm not very stabile right now.... -.-

[radz28]

Panicing...

[rray200]

You know, GM could make things a hell of alot easier for themselves if they got rid of a couple of those fat, big honking full sized SUVs from their lineup. Why not cancel the Yukon Denali or Tahoe? Getting rid of one of those big gas guzzlers would easily get them in line with the CAFE. It will cost people jobs. But at the end of the day, with $100 a barrel oil, the novelty of those guargantaun behemoths should wear off very quickly. Plus, modern muscle cars use alot less fuel and are much more enviromentally friendly than some big ass Escalade or Denali.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by rray200

You know, GM could make things a hell of alot easier for themselves if they got rid of a couple of those fat, big honking full sized SUVs from their lineup. Why not cancel the Yukon Denali or Tahoe? Getting rid of one of those big gas guzzlers would easily get them in line with the CAFE.

Apparently you haven't seen the Hybrid Tahoe, etc.?

IMO, GM is doing waaayyy more than the other manufacturer's to develop vehicle's that are more efficient and less dependent on fossil fuels.

Let's not "slam" GM. They should be applauded for what they are doing.

[TAG UR IT]

I AM NOT READING THIS ENTIRE THREAD. I am getting tired of talking about the new Camaro being killed off w/ RWD.

If GM prices the Camaro in the same ball park as the Corvette....WE MIGHT AS WELL KISS OUR BELOVED CAMARO GOODBYE. It is that simple. It must compare w/ the Mustang or it will DIE.

HAVE FAITH!!!! It'll be prices w/ the Mustang!
That is all I'll ever say about that again.

[DGthe3]

The other option is to tack on the CAFE penalty ($5.50/0.1 mpg below) to the consumers. Adding an extra $500 will pay for being about 9 mpg below the average. Thats not pocket change, but it is less than the cost of a hybrid system, and gives a bigger 'boost' to economy. I know some of you will hate that but if its the differance between having and not having a V8 as an option I will take it

[rray200]

Originally Posted by Moose

Apparently you haven't seen the Hybrid Tahoe, etc.?

IMO, GM is doing waaayyy more than the other manufacturer's to develop vehicle's that are more efficient and less dependent on fossil fuels.

Let's not "slam" GM. They should be applauded for what they are doing.

I agree they are doing alot to develop more fuel efficient vehicles. But really, they still have way too many big trucks in their lineup (Suburban, Escalade, Denali, Hummer H1, H2, H3 etc.) that affect their CAFE numbers. Didn't Ford get rid of the Excursion? There is little room for these kinds of trucks in a market place where oil is $100+ a barrel. Just build a couple of them like everybody else does, instead of 10 different versions of the same thing and CAFE becomes a non-issue.

[Jak]

I'm thinking that "IF" this story is believable, and I'm not saying that I do, but just as a fall back on "if" the goes high then what we're thinking, my fall back list is this:1) G8 Sport, 2) G8 ute (Forgot what the pickup version of it's called,3) Challenger and 4) Charger w/the Daytona option.
Now personally, I don't believe it. If they price the Camaro to high, it's gonna kill the car before it leaves the starting gate.

[Silverado]

Originally Posted by rray200

You know, GM could make things a hell of alot easier for themselves if they got rid of a couple of those fat, big honking full sized SUVs from their lineup. Why not cancel the Yukon Denali or Tahoe? Getting rid of one of those big gas guzzlers would easily get them in line with the CAFE. It will cost people jobs. But at the end of the day, with $100 a barrel oil, the novelty of those guargantaun behemoths should wear off very quickly. Plus, modern muscle cars use alot less fuel and are much more enviromentally friendly than some big ass Escalade or Denali.

Well, there are reasons they don't get rid of them.

First, and foremost,....THEY SELL. Afterall, that's what GM's in business for....to sell vehicles. In order to do that, they have to build what people will buy.

People buy those SUV's that you (obviously) don't care about because they need them. As I've pointed out in other threads, we needed the bigger SUV's because of the 3 kids/car seats/etc. Other people have the family and a boat or a camper....sorry, but you aren't going to drag a trailer like that with your RSX (or any other fuel sipping economy car) and 3 car seats won't fit in there either.

So, GM then goes out and does something unheard of by the likes of Toyota and Honda. They build hybrids (no, not the answer, just a step in the right direction) out of the full-size SUV's and full-size trucks. Increase fuel economy in vehicles that people want...win-win...for GM and the consumers.

Actually, GM would be better off if they build more cars off of the more fuel efficient vehicles (Saturns, Cobalts, G6's,) and bring in those (as much as I don't like them) Ute's from Holden (more utility for people that need it, without the poorer fuel economy). That way, they have more of the fuel-sippers to average against the fuel-"guzzlers" and it will raise their numbers as needed.

[munkee drummer]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

I AM NOT READING THIS ENTIRE THREAD. I am getting tired of talking about the new Camaro being killed off w/ RWD.

If GM prices the Camaro in the same ball park as the Corvette....WE MIGHT AS WELL KISS OUR BELOVED CAMARO GOODBYE. It is that simple. It must compare w/ the Mustang or it will DIE.

HAVE FAITH!!!! It'll be prices w/ the Mustang!
That is all I'll ever say about that again.

[Cubanaso]

Again, I agree with some of the folks and I just don't see GM making this stupid mistake. I'll take a $500 shot (which effects little in monthly payment) to keep the Camaro priced right (while that sounds to be counterproductive).

In the least, it wont kill it off while I doubt that will happen. People...this is the best thing to come out of GM Muscle for a long time and I doubt they would mess it up before the car is even built.

[rray200]

Originally Posted by Silverado

Well, there are reasons they don't get rid of them.

First, and foremost,....THEY SELL. Afterall, that's what GM's in business for....to sell vehicles. In order to do that, they have to build what people will buy.

People buy those SUV's that you (obviously) don't care about because they need them. As I've pointed out in other threads, we needed the bigger SUV's because of the 3 kids/car seats/etc. Other people have the family and a boat or a camper....sorry, but you aren't going to drag a trailer like that with your RSX (or any other fuel sipping economy car) and 3 car seats won't fit in there either.

So, GM then goes out and does something unheard of by the likes of Toyota and Honda. They build hybrids (no, not the answer, just a step in the right direction) out of the full-size SUV's and full-size trucks. Increase fuel economy in vehicles that people want...win-win...for GM and the consumers.

Actually, GM would be better off if they build more cars off of the more fuel efficient vehicles (Saturns, Cobalts, G6's,) and bring in those (as much as I don't like them) Ute's from Holden (more utility for people that need it, without the poorer fuel economy). That way, they have more of the fuel-sippers to average against the fuel-"guzzlers" and it will raise their numbers as needed.

Those big SUVs may sell now. But the more expensive gas gets, time will tell if they keep selling. As for car seats etc., people buy minivans for that. As for pulling boats, that's not a huge part of the population and you don't necessarily need a big ass Suburban and Denali to pull one. Just make the Suburban and dump the Denali. As far as pulling campers go, that's not a huge part of the population. Some people need the towing capacity, most don't. They may sell now. But wait till oil get to the $120 or $130 dollar a barrel price. GM will have to make some tough decisions about those and people will have to start making do without the big boats and campers. It is very close to happening with the price of oil. As much as you hate gas sippers, get used to them. They're here to stay.

[Cubanaso]

But wait till oil get to the $120 or $130 dollar a barrel price. GM will have to make some tough decisions about those and people will have to start making do without the big boats and campers. It is very close to happening with the price of oil. As much as you hate gas sippers, get used to them. They're here to stay.

If that is where it's headed, then I think us sports car guys are going to be in a heap of trouble.

[rray200]

Originally Posted by Cubanaso

If that is where it's headed, then I think us sports car guys are going to be in a heap of trouble.

Not necessarily. Sports cars and passenger cars are lighter and have better technology behind them than the cars of the '70s when the last energy crisis hit. The guys that are going to be in a heap of trouble are the ones who love driving big heavy trucks without any practical use for them (no business or family purpose for owning one). Believe me, I know and see alot of guys who drive full size pickups and SUVs who don't need them. That's a significant share of the market and why trucks got so popular in the late '90s. That market will die out and the industry will have to scale back on the Durangos and Yukons.