2013 gt500 650hp running 15psi???

[Deki]

Originally Posted by BigDan

If "competition is good for us" theory was true then GM would of been making year to year improvements to the SS instead of leaving it basically the same since its concept 7 years ago. GM still hasn't improved the SS' performance since its release 3 years ago but it competitor has had two significant waves of improvement the past 3 years.

But why would they? It wouldn't make sense financially, hence the reason I think the ZL1 won't get an update for 2013, regardless if the new GT500 beats it or not. And the GT is only marginally better in certain areas than a 3 year old SS. Still a driver's race on the road course and 1/4 mile.

[ffrcobra_65]

come on Ford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Release the freaking Kraken already!

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BigDan

If "competition is good for us" theory was true then GM would of been making year to year improvements to the SS instead of leaving it basically the same since its concept 7 years ago. GM still hasn't improved the SS' performance since its release 3 years ago but it competitor has had two significant waves of improvement the past 3 years.

Your looking at it all wrong. The camaro has only been out for three years like you said. It took Ford seven years to make the first performance upgrade to the standard GT Mustang and I bet the only reason they did was because of the Camaro. Competition is what drove Ford to make those changes ,and now it's forcing them to make more changes to your beloved GT500. So yes, competition is good for us.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

And if you really wanna get technical,

1 cam vs. 4
2 valve vs.4

Originally Posted by DARKANGELCAMARO

Couldn't agree with you more...

Thats why the Camaro SS is the wife's car, and mine is a C6 Z06.

So you are posting on your wife's log-in?

Originally Posted by BigDan

GM still hasn't improved the SS' performance since its release 3 years ago but it competitor has had two significant waves of improvement the past 3 years.

And 3 years of lower sales.

I have a neighbor who bought a GT the year before they went to 5.0

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

come on Ford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Release the freaking Kraken already!

Originally Posted by motorhead

Your looking at it all wrong. The camaro has only been out for three years like you said. It took Ford seven years to make the first performance upgrade to the standard GT Mustang and I bet the only reason they did was because of the Camaro. Competition is what drove Ford to make those changes ,and now it's forcing them to make more changes to your beloved GT500. So yes, competition is good for us.

It has the feel of GM having a plan and implementing it. Ford seems to be the nervous one. It's outsold the Camaro for ever and now they can't do it anymore.

The newness of the Camaro has undoubtedly an effect and so does the fact that there is no Firebird but Ford SEEMS to be the one panicing while GM just sticks to the plan.

And Mustang guy actually is the big winner.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by PQ

It has the feel of GM having a plan and implementing it. Ford seems to be the nervous one. It's outsold the Camaro for ever and now they can't do it anymore.

The newness of the Camaro has undoubtedly an effect and so does the fact that there is no Firebird but Ford SEEMS to be the one panicing while GM just sticks to the plan.

And Mustang guy actually is the big winner.

I was going to put at the end of my post that it REALLY helped you mustang guys ,but I knew what that would start. Oh I guess I just did.

I'll do their comeback before they do. "Well if it wasn't for Ford bringing out the 2005 mustang, the camaro would have never happened."

[PQ]

Well it's true for the Mustang fans. They get something new every year. lol

It just really pisses off the guy who just bought the 'Old' stuff.

[Unreal]

Originally Posted by DARKANGELCAMARO

OK. Let me clarify/simplify my point. 6.2 liters is bigger than 5.8

And a TVS2300 is bigger than a TVS1900 blower. The one with the bigger displacement power added will win in the end.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by DARKANGELCAMARO

OK. Let me clarify/simplify my point. 6.2 liters is bigger than 5.8

With the TVS2300 on the 5.8 and the TVS1900 on the LSA both cars will come to the same displacement of 8.1 Liters....

[2K11SS]

Chevrolet ZL1 warranty 100000 miles
Corvette ZR-1 warranty 100000 miles
Dodge Challenger warranty 100000 miles
Ford GT500 warranty 60000 miles

Hmmm. I guess you can put in more horsepower in a vehicle if your warranty is almost half of the competitors. Way to show confidence in your products build quality. So turn the boost up and let the consumer deal with the problems.

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by TEXAS2011SS

Chevrolet ZL1 warranty 100000 miles
Corvette ZR-1 warranty 100000 miles
Dodge Challenger warranty 100000 miles
Ford GT500 warranty 60000 miles

Hmmm. I guess you can put in more horsepower in a vehicle if your warranty is almost half of the competitors. Way to show confidence in your products build quality. So turn the boost up and let the consumer deal with the problems.

They're both 5 years. How many people are going to be putting 20,000 miles a year on their ZL1? I'm guessing not many.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by TEXAS2011SS

Chevrolet ZL1 warranty 100000 miles
Corvette ZR-1 warranty 100000 miles
Dodge Challenger warranty 100000 miles
Ford GT500 warranty 60000 miles

Hmmm. I guess you can put in more horsepower in a vehicle if your warranty is almost half of the competitors. Way to show confidence in your products build quality. So turn the boost up and let the consumer deal with the problems.

You're right, Ford can not reliably make 650 horsepower out of the 5.8 and they just hope that all the engines destroy themselves at 60001 miles...or 5 years and 1 day from the date of purchase.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by TEXAS2011SS

Chevrolet ZL1 warranty 100000 miles
Corvette ZR-1 warranty 100000 miles
Dodge Challenger warranty 100000 miles
Ford GT500 warranty 60000 miles

Hmmm. I guess you can put in more horsepower in a vehicle if your warranty is almost half of the competitors. Way to show confidence in your products build quality. So turn the boost up and let the consumer deal with the problems.

Ford's engine can handle some intense boost the same cannot be said for the LSA, stuff the 5.4/5.8 can do will cause the LSA to break....

[2K11SS]

Like the 864 RWHP on a stock LS3 bottom end being discussed over on the forced induction part of Camaro 5? My goodness how much freakin HP are you willing to put on a stock bottom end?