Mag and bench racing: ZL1

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

not quite king just yet. The ZL1's time doesnt beat road & tracks time around leguna seca with the boss mustang. 1:39
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...02-laguna-seca
i guess it takes a certain kind of driver to be able to handle the boss.

when did the zl1 run laguna seca?

[Pappa Joe]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

not quite king just yet. The ZL1's time doesnt beat road & tracks time around leguna seca with the boss mustang. 1:39
http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/ca...02-laguna-seca
i guess it takes a certain kind of driver to be able to handle the boss.

Guess you missed this

"The Camaro clearly came out on top of this fight. Although the Boss 302 is probably the best Mustang ever built, it just feels and performs like it's a generation behind. Randy summed it up: "The Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca was my favorite American musclecar -- until today." It isn't the lack of power; it isn't the lack of amenities. It's simply a lack of technology. The Camaro is the benchmark for a new class of vehicle. Call it the Power Pony, the Warhorse -- the name isn't important. What is important is ZL1's on-demand attitude. Supercar levels of performance, with the daily driving comfort of a GT, wrapped in a nostalgic package."

[BigBlock427]

All I know is... for all of you that order a ZL1 keep them in great condition and the miles down because I will be buying one of your cars when you decided to sell them. haha

[NYJETSFAN]

Originally Posted by GM4lyfe

I find it entertaining how some people compare mag times as gold and determine their decision on a vehicle. Just skimming the forum with articles comparing the ZL1 against Boss 302 is one of the latest. This happens all the time and yes it will not stop. But seriously how many ZL1 owners are going to do it up at the track(road or drag)? Many are novice and inexperienced on driving a car with so much potential on the track that even a Mazda Miata will take your more sophisticated ZL1, Boss or whatever in the bends. Point is the more time you have with a car the faster you will be. Magazine editors, pro race car drivers(Randy P), are no different. These guys spend so little time with the car and post times, sit back and collect a check. Prime example. The ZR1, SS Camaro, GT500, Z06 have posted better times in the hand of an owner or someone that spends alot of time with a car than lets say your off the shelf publishisher. Most post better times than the manufature claims. Search around on Youtube and you can find the bone stock Z06's, and ZR1's deep into the 10's when they were quoted mid/high 11 sec cars and slower trap speeds.

Why do you think GM use the same guy to test the Camaro, Corvette suspension on the N-ring, because he knows the car. You put someone like John Heinricey, Ron Fellows, O'Connell, Jan Magnussen behind the wheel of these cars because they know them. I bet 95% of the people on the planet can't acheave the times set on the N-Ring. The point was to tune the suspension and show its full potential.

If you are a true enthusiast buy what your heart wants not what bragging rights you can get. There will always be someone faster.

I never really looked at it like that but it is soo true. good post brother.

[tooslow]

Magazine racing is always entertaining, but hardly ever accurate. There's way too much information that can be spun, depending on who's doing the spinning. For example, of you look at the review threads for the ZL1 onthis site, people are already making excuses for why the ZL1 did not manage a better 0-60/quarter mile time (i.e. Cold temps, low mileage, dusty track, tire pressure, etc.), which could be true, and suggesting tat beter times are to be had from the car. (And I would agree). However, those same people when comparing it to the GT500 times, its direct competitor, assume the published magazine time for it is the best it is capable of and never take into account the same factors that could have affected it's times.

I like the fact that MT tested the ZL1and the Boss on the same track on the same day with the same driver, as that is a more accurate comparison of each cars capabilities. As should be expected, the ZL1 was the better car in that test.

[htron50]

And "THAT" Mustang was the "best Mustang ever built"..... and the Camaro beat it on ONE lap by about 2.5 seconds. In a 30 lap face that's a long long long ..... well.. you get the point. The ZL1 IS already designed to handle at least 24 hours of straight Getting On It track time without breaking. I've not seen ANY durability tests coming from the competition. One lap? One Quarter Mile run? HA! The Camaro is track tested for durability, not "flashes in the pan"...... Again, haven't seen any competitive durability stories/testing that equal ZL1's. PLus ZL1 doesn't have "rear seat delete" and a built in roll cage. The ZL1 beat "the Boss"... It beat the "2012 GT500". Well, at this time, what's left? NOTHING. 2013 models are not here yet. I'm sure we'll see adjustments (we know about a new GT and I suspect the Boss 302 may become the Boss 351 possibly, but we don't know about what GM has up their sleeve). Also, I hate to repeat, but have you all ever heard what the inside of the Boss 302 or GT500 cabin sounds like when its raining? It's not good. But, you do have that rear seat delete to make you happy and you can use it to dry out your sweaty shirt on after a road race. (I know, I shouldna said that)... In all reality, the cars are so close that on a given day, pure stock, most times the ZL1 will win, but later this year the equations will be shaken and stirred a little more.

[GM4lyfe]

Well you have to look at it this way besides the numbers of why the ZL1 is the better car as it should against a lesser car(apples to oranges). As the pro driver described it, it took a lot of work for x amount of laps to get the Boss around the track compared to the ZL1. If I recall correctly. For me I've done HDPE's all day. Yes you get wore out, but do I want to get beat down racing my car all day.

I'm a car enthusiast and I give credit when credit is due. The Boss is a good car for what it is and honestly, GM still don't have an answer for it. Keep the mag racing as entertainment nothing else. Your best evaluation about a car is forums and talking to actual owners.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by htron50

And "THAT" Mustang was the "best Mustang ever built"..... and the Camaro beat it on ONE lap by about 2.5 seconds. In a 30 lap face that's a long long long ..... well.. you get the point. The ZL1 IS already designed to handle at least 24 hours of straight Getting On It track time without breaking. I've not seen ANY durability tests coming from the competition. One lap? One Quarter Mile run? HA! The Camaro is track tested for durability, not "flashes in the pan"...... Again, haven't seen any competitive durability stories/testing that equal ZL1's. PLus ZL1 doesn't have "rear seat delete" and a built in roll cage. The ZL1 beat "the Boss"... It beat the "2012 GT500". Well, at this time, what's left? NOTHING. 2013 models are not here yet. I'm sure we'll see adjustments (we know about a new GT and I suspect the Boss 302 may become the Boss 351 possibly, but we don't know about what GM has up their sleeve). Also, I hate to repeat, but have you all ever heard what the inside of the Boss 302 or GT500 cabin sounds like when its raining? It's not good. But, you do have that rear seat delete to make you happy and you can use it to dry out your sweaty shirt on after a road race. (I know, I shouldna said that)... In all reality, the cars are so close that on a given day, pure stock, most times the ZL1 will win, but later this year the equations will be shaken and stirred a little more.

I believe that 5.0 was derived from their racing program. I can't remember for sure, but I thought I remembered either reading or watchin some stuff about development. Maybe I assumed it was supposed to be more track capable, but I can't say that I remember Ford bragging like GM has about track ready. They were really proud of the rear differential (thank God, because the 7.5 was not something cool, lol) and it really seems they took durability and repeatability super-seriously.

I won't say this often but while I am a CAMARO-but, I am a car enthusiast. I can appreciate most any car that's more than a mode of transportation. In this Community, though, that appreciation focuses to a lazer. I still, and have, recognize the Mustang is a great car. I give it credit for really turn up the dial. I still think that it's fallen behind CAMARO in technology and being upt-to-date (in some regards), but, Ford manages to keep it more than relavent.

We have, what, at least 3-or-so years for this generation to run it's course. I believe we're going to see more development across the board for CAMARO, in general. We may lose bragging rights in some regimes, but that doesn't change my loyalties.

[GM4lyfe]

Originally Posted by radz28

I believe that 5.0 was derived from their racing program. I can't remember for sure, but I thought I remembered either reading or watchin some stuff about development. Maybe I assumed it was supposed to be more track capable, but I can't say that I remember Ford bragging like GM has about track ready. They were really proud of the rear differential (thank God, because the 7.5 was not something cool, lol) and it really seems they took durability and repeatability super-seriously.

I won't say this often but while I am a CAMARO-but, I am a car enthusiast. I can appreciate most any car that's more than a mode of transportation. In this Community, though, that appreciation focuses to a lazer. I still, and have, recognize the Mustang is a great car. I give it credit for really turn up the dial. I still think that it's fallen behind CAMARO in technology and being upt-to-date (in some regards), but, Ford manages to keep it more than relavent.

We have, what, at least 3-or-so years for this generation to run it's course. I believe we're going to see more development across the board for CAMARO, in general. We may lose bragging rights in some regimes, but that doesn't change my loyalties.

This is a good post, well said.

The 5.0 was developed from the racing program. I watch the Rolex Grand Am racing religously. Before the Mustang came out with the 5.0 they was using the 5.0 in their Daytona Prototypes. Yes the series is limited to 5L engines but one of them did have the 5.0 "coyote" engine.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by GM4lyfe

Well you have to look at it this way besides the numbers of why the ZL1 is the better car as it should against a lesser car(apples to oranges). As the pro driver described it, it took a lot of work for x amount of laps to get the Boss around the track compared to the ZL1. If I recall correctly. For me I've done HDPE's all day. Yes you get wore out, but do I want to get beat down racing my car all day.
I'm a car enthusiast and I give credit when credit is due. The Boss is a good car for what it is and honestly, GM still don't have an answer for it. Keep the mag racing as entertainment nothing else. Your best evaluation about a car is forums and talking to actual owners.

To me - this is what owning a car, for an enthusiast, should be about. It should be about what moves you. You want a car that beats you about all day because that's what gets your goat. When you find the car that does that - it's worth it's weight in gold, IMO. CAMARO's been that for me since I could drive. For others, it's other cars - no biggie.

Excellent second thought, too. I take my input from reviewers with a grain of salt. I read only a few publications regularly, because I know how they test and that they're good drivers. Seeing comments from a race car driver is valuable input, but it will all come down to reading what people have to say here - good or bad. I will believe a person in our Forum before I believe some reviewer I don't know in a rag'.

That's just me

[htron50]

Originally Posted by radz28

We have, what, at least 3-or-so years for this generation to run it's course. I believe we're going to see more development across the board for CAMARO, in general. We may lose bragging rights in some regimes, but that doesn't change my loyalties.

I respect Ford! They have kept "it" going for a long time! What do you say?
"They've ridden that horse hard and put it up wet?" Loyalties! Yeah I hear ya.
Imagine all the "free agents" switching to whatever has the HP ratings? It goes deeper than that for sure.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by htron50

I respect Ford! They have kept "it" going for a long time! What do you say?
"They've ridden that horse hard and put it up wet?" Loyalties! Yeah I hear ya.
Imagine all the "free agents" switching to whatever has the HP ratings? It goes deeper than that for sure.

I'm not free agent - I think you know that Nor are you

Hey LB - did you post an Edmunds review yesterday or today? I'll be darned if I could get it to work, but that was after I deleted the notification and now I can't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken...

[GM4lyfe]

Originally Posted by GabeMarlin

Oh, and the Ford DP cars use a derivitive of the old Tarus SHO V8 that doesnt share anything with the Coyote 5.0 except its displacement.

I think you better check again. Like I said one Daytona Prototype car had Coyote 5.0 on the windshild. At this time I don't remember what team had it but it was.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by radz28

I'm not free agent - I think you know that Nor are you

Hey LB - did you post an Edmunds review yesterday or today? I'll be darned if I could get it to work, but that was after I deleted the notification and now I can't find it. Maybe I'm mistaken...

No.. the only article I posted a link to was this..(it sounds like the GM V8 is being scrutinized and potentially ONLY being offered in Trucks and Vettes. Might be coming near to "height of current V8 deployment" by GM.

http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...gine-guys.html


And now the 2014 Vette!! Just for interest....)


http://www.insideline.com/chevrolet/...in-canada.html

KAPUSKASING, Ontario — Spy photographers have caught a glimpse of the 2014 Chevrolet Corvette undergoing cold-weather testing in Canada. It's the first time that the seventh-generation Corvette has been spotted in public.

The heavily camouflaged prototype reveals a few minor details about the upcoming sports car. It will clearly retain the classic long-nose, short-deck configuration of its predecessors, but the profile of the car will feature a more distinct wedge shape. There are two different prototypes seen here, each with its own wheel design. Not sure if this is indicative of two different models or simply an easy way to try different tires in the snow.

Shooters on the scene described an exhaust note that was most definitely of the V8 variety. Although our earlier Corvette Intelligence report suggested that a small-displacement turbocharged V8 might be used, the sound of this prototype was more in line with a more typical normally aspirated, large-displacement V8. Most speculation suggests that this Corvette with get a roughly 5.5-liter V8 that uses direct injection and variable valve timing to develop around 500 horsepower. Sources have told Inside Line that the C7 Corvette will also feature a seven-speed manual transmission.

The official unveil of the 2014 Chevrolet Corvette is expected at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show early next year.