Now the tests out, ZL1 over hyped

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

You want people to buy Camaro's based on the reputation of the ZR1

That is not a correct inference of what Scott stated.

Originally Posted by GT5Junkie

If you're buying a product, and you want to get the best product, and the best value for your money, you're better off not letting bias and emotion enter your decision process.

When it comes to purchasing a car, people have different metrics for determining the best product and the best value for one's money. There are many different parameters, such as acceleration, handling, braking, styling, size, color, interior, and a host of other features that individuals use to determine which is the best vehicle and the best vehicle value for them. There is no unbiased scientific way to determine the best vehicle or vehicle value for all people.

[OldScoolCamaro]

It's time to break Barney out....................

[SSmoked]

Overhyped? Not at all. I look forward to running any Shelby that decides to man up and go on the track. Unless the Shelby owner has some serious driver mod he will either just be a speck in my mirror or in a dust cloud off the track.

Fbodyfather you guys at GM made a hell of a car and I can’t wait until it’s on my driveway. And that Ultra-Grin you always talk about, I have had it since the ZL1 first showed in Chicago and always get one when I see a new video or picture and now reviews of the ZL1. Thanks for the Permanent Ultra Grin.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by radz28

The Moderators here are terrible anyways (at least one I know of...).

LMFAO

[radz28]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

LMFAO

:slice::troll:

[OLD_GOAT]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I really think that using 'Fanboys' is insulting to a lot of people regardless of what site one visits....because you may be leveling that 'label' to people who you've never met and thus have no certain assurances as to how they really feel or what their motivations may be.

As I said before - the name of this site is "Camaro5" -

now - I don't own the site - and my opinions plus $2.50 will buy you a cup of coffee here in the Motor City.....but I personally don't think it's appropriate to call Camaro enthusiasts 'fanboys' when you are on a Camaro site especially if you don't know them.

Boy, I'm going to get flamed to hell and back for this post.

I've been surfing these forums since the ZL1 was called the Z/28, which is a long time, and fbodfather is one of the most respected posters, if not the most respected. My Pontiac owning a55 is going to agree to disagree with fbodfather. No doubt your acolytes will come running to your rescue, not that you need it.

But here goes.

Since day one when the rumor was out that Chevy was going to offer up a supercharged Camaro I've been very interested. I found that this site is the best for soaking up as much information that I can about all Camaro's, not just the ZL1. I may buy one, but being an older guy, I don't have to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. I will wait a year or two if I make that decision. Ford isn't in my future, due to wife's diabetes, a stick shift car will never be bought.

fbodfather, I also used the term fanbois, however this isn't geared toward any one person, but the forum as a whole. Nobody had better hint nor insinuate that there is anything even near wrong with the ZL1 or that person will be flamed by numerous posters. It's OK to be a fanboi, that's why most persons are here. Yet 99.9% of the members here have even sat in the car nor driven a ZL1. Basically, without knowing for 100% sure, you will have people flame other people about a car that isn't even on the road yet. I'm just amazed that people can have 100% blind loyalty to a car they haven't seen or driven yet.

Even though I drive a cousin to the Camaro, I know that I would have more credibility if I were a Camaro owner. This being said, I'm very pro-Chevy, however I'm just saying that it's OK to respect what Ford and Chrysler are doing with their performance cars.

I've never been here to start any trouble, but some of the alpha-male fanbois on this site make it hard for a lot of people to have a differing or even a semi-differing opinion on this car.

At the end of the day, what we really have in common, is that we only know what Chevy let's us know, at least until the reviews came out lately. I just find it difficult to see how someone can be so blindly loyal to something they've never even laid their hands on.

This post made as respectfully as I can make it.

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

That is not a correct inference of what Scott stated.

You don't think it is true?

When it comes to purchasing a car, people have different metrics for determining the best product and the best value for one's money. There are many different parameters, such as acceleration, handling, braking, styling, size, color, interior, and a host of other features that individuals use to determine which is the best vehicle and the best vehicle value for them. There is no unbiased scientific way to determine the best vehicle or vehicle value for all people.

The thing is, regardless of which metrics are important to you, how a completely different car performs does not change how the car you're actually looking at performs. Can you not agree with that? Because that's all I'm saying, yet you seem to be arguing the point.

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

It's time to break Barney out....................

Hey, leave the Challenger out of this

[calbert1999]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

As fbodfather said this is Camaro5 to expect open mindedness is like asking a Jewish person to eat Pork 11/10 times it's not happening.

And, the 10/11 times it's bacon.

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

Boy, I'm going to get flamed to hell and back for this post.

I've been surfing these forums since the ZL1 was called the Z/28, which is a long time, and fbodfather is one of the most respected posters, if not the most respected. My Pontiac owning a55 is going to agree to disagree with fbodfather. No doubt your acolytes will come running to your rescue, not that you need it.

But here goes.

Since day one when the rumor was out that Chevy was going to offer up a supercharged Camaro I've been very interested. I found that this site is the best for soaking up as much information that I can about all Camaro's, not just the ZL1. I may buy one, but being an older guy, I don't have to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. I will wait a year or two if I make that decision. Ford isn't in my future, due to wife's diabetes, a stick shift car will never be bought.

fbodfather, I also used the term fanbois, however this isn't geared toward any one person, but the forum as a whole. Nobody had better hint nor insinuate that there is anything even near wrong with the ZL1 or that person will be flamed by numerous posters. It's OK to be a fanboi, that's why most persons are here. Yet 99.9% of the members here have not even sat in the car nor driven a ZL1. Basically, without knowing for 100% sure, you will have people flame other people about a car that isn't even on the road yet. I'm just amazed that people can have 100% blind loyalty to a car they haven't seen or driven yet.

Even though I drive a cousin to the Camaro, I know that I would have more credibility if I were a Camaro owner. This being said, I'm very pro-Chevy, however I'm just saying that it's OK to respect what Ford and Chrysler are doing with their performance cars.

I've never been here to start any trouble, but some of the alpha-male fanbois on this site make it hard for a lot of people to have a differing or even a semi-differing opinion on this car.

At the end of the day, what we really have in common, is that we only know what Chevy let's us know, at least until the reviews came out lately. I just find it difficult to see how someone can be so blindly loyal to something they've never even laid their hands on.

This post made as respectfully as I can make it.

I can't even count how many times I was repimanded (and account disabled) because I said something someone didn't like about the ZL1, and I have a 2SS fully loaded with every single option I could buy, and spend more money on Camaro SS upgrades than 99% of all the members on this board. If I'm getting slaughtered on here for not agreeing to all the hype and I've got a new SS, you're practically going to me mechanically separated into chicken nuggets if you say the slightest thing against the ZL1 and your driving a Pontiac (not that anything wrong with that, but it's not a 201x Camaro).

I like the car also (ZL1; to some degree) just as much as the next person, but I don't believe all the marketing BS because I've researched so much of the performance upgrades and know the deal when it comes to what's out there in the aftermarket vs what's OEM in terms of quality and performance of superior materials; So, I want to see it, drive it for myself first, before I come to any conclusions considering I've learned so much about the SS on my journey to acheive a certain level of performance I thought it would already have off the dealership lot.

Dude, don't sweat it; Now that all the facts are out those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed.
With all they hype about fancy traction controls, SC, et al, the numbers are out and although a superior ride it barely beats an older car. Now I understand that can be argued 1mil. different ways, but the facts are the facts and that can't be argued with which has always been my position (let's wait and see the results and do the comparative analysis, and see what's coming next from Ford and GM).

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I look at the performance offerings provided by the company.

I have liked the styling of the 5th Generation Camaro since the concept vehicle was unveiled in January 2006, and I have wanted to purchase a high performance factory built 5th Generation Camaro ever since that time. I could have purchased an SS when the 5th Generation Camaro was initially released for sale, but I wanted something more and I realized that some of the technology used in the Corvette would likely make it into a factory built high performance Camaro. Therefore, I decided to wait to see what would happen before I purchased my new Camaro. It turns out that I was correct, and I am very happy that I chose to wait.


I was referring to Chevrolet, and not GM corporate.


Having different design and development teams and target markets can lead to different ideas and lessons learned being cross pollinated allowing new technologies to be efficiently shared which can lead to improvements realized by the consumer that may not occur if there were only one design and development team and target market.

All good points. I definitely agree that advancements tend to trickle down, and the ZL1 is a testament. To that borrowing and then improving PTM and MRC for the application.

Still not convinced that by having another model that has higher performance than the car i'm actually looking/can afford to purchase has any bearing at all in my buying decision when it comes to the Camaro or any of its direct competitors. Sure, I can always point out the fact after I'm beat by the competition, but that's not really going to make me feel better about it.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by OLD_GOAT

Boy, I'm going to get flamed to hell and back for this post.

I've been surfing these forums since the ZL1 was called the Z/28, which is a long time, and fbodfather is one of the most respected posters, if not the most respected. My Pontiac owning a55 is going to agree to disagree with fbodfather. No doubt your acolytes will come running to your rescue, not that you need it.

But here goes.

Since day one when the rumor was out that Chevy was going to offer up a supercharged Camaro I've been very interested. I found that this site is the best for soaking up as much information that I can about all Camaro's, not just the ZL1. I may buy one, but being an older guy, I don't have to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. I will wait a year or two if I make that decision. Ford isn't in my future, due to wife's diabetes, a stick shift car will never be bought.

fbodfather, I also used the term fanbois, however this isn't geared toward any one person, but the forum as a whole. Nobody had better hint nor insinuate that there is anything even near wrong with the ZL1 or that person will be flamed by numerous posters. It's OK to be a fanboi, that's why most persons are here. Yet 99.9% of the members here have even sat in the car nor driven a ZL1. Basically, without knowing for 100% sure, you will have people flame other people about a car that isn't even on the road yet. I'm just amazed that people can have 100% blind loyalty to a car they haven't seen or driven yet.

Even though I drive a cousin to the Camaro, I know that I would have more credibility if I were a Camaro owner. This being said, I'm very pro-Chevy, however I'm just saying that it's OK to respect what Ford and Chrysler are doing with their performance cars.

I've never been here to start any trouble, but some of the alpha-male fanbois on this site make it hard for a lot of people to have a differing or even a semi-differing opinion on this car.

At the end of the day, what we really have in common, is that we only know what Chevy let's us know, at least until the reviews came out lately. I just find it difficult to see how someone can be so blindly loyal to something they've never even laid their hands on.

This post made as respectfully as I can make it.

Originally Posted by calbert1999

And, the 10/11 times it's bacon.



I can't even count how many times I was repimanded (and account disabled) because I said something someone didn't like about the ZL1, and I have a 2SS fully loaded with every single option I could buy, and spend more money on Camaro SS upgrades than 99% of all the members on this board. If I'm getting slaughtered on here for not agreeing to all the hype and I've got a new SS, you're practically going to me mechanically separated into chicken nuggets if you say the slightest thing against the ZL1 and your driving a Pontiac (not that anything wrong with that, but it's not a 201x Camaro).

I like the car also (ZL1; to some degree) just as much as the next person, but I don't believe all the marketing BS because I've researched so much of the performance upgrades and know the deal when it comes to what's out there in the aftermarket vs what's OEM in terms of quality and performance of superior materials; So, I want to see it, drive it for myself first, before I come to any conclusions considering I've learned so much about the SS on my journey to acheive a certain level of performance I thought it would already have off the dealership lot.

Dude, don't sweat it; Now that all the facts are out those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed.
With all they hype about fancy traction controls, SC, et al, the numbers are out and although a superior ride it barely beats an older car. Now I understand that can be argued 1mil. different ways, but the facts are the facts and that can't be argued with which has always been my position (let's wait and see the results and do the comparative analysis, and see what's coming next from Ford and GM).

You two guys are a couple of the many posters who I respect on here.

All I can say is this is where 'Fanboys' can come to hang out. I'd say try and look past the blatant blindness. I do agree that there is a lot of tennel-vision with some of the Camaro guys. But I give them a bit more leeway (not that my leeway means anything lol) because if you wanna be a Camaro fanboy, this is the place to come.

I agree with you guys for the most part and so do many one here but there will be some sensitivity here becasue of some of the guys who really are trolls.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Shurenuff

Hey, leave the Challenger out of this

I lol'd...

[evolve]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

And, the 10/11 times it's bacon.



I can't even count how many times I was repimanded (and account disabled) because I said something someone didn't like about the ZL1, and I have a 2SS fully loaded with every single option I could buy, and spend more money on Camaro SS upgrades than 99% of all the members on this board. If I'm getting slaughtered on here for not agreeing to all the hype and I've got a new SS, you're practically going to me mechanically separated into chicken nuggets if you say the slightest thing against the ZL1 and your driving a Pontiac (not that anything wrong with that, but it's not a 201x Camaro).

I like the car also (ZL1; to some degree) just as much as the next person, but I don't believe all the marketing BS because I've researched so much of the performance upgrades and know the deal when it comes to what's out there in the aftermarket vs what's OEM in terms of quality and performance of superior materials; So, I want to see it, drive it for myself first, before I come to any conclusions considering I've learned so much about the SS on my journey to acheive a certain level of performance I thought it would already have off the dealership lot.

Dude, don't sweat it; Now that all the facts are out those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed.
With all they hype about fancy traction controls, SC, et al, the numbers are out and although a superior ride it barely beats an older car. Now I understand that can be argued 1mil. different ways, but the facts are the facts and that can't be argued with which has always been my position (let's wait and see the results and do the comparative analysis, and see what's coming next from Ford and GM).

Very interesting.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by calbert1999

Now that all the facts are out those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed. With all they hype about fancy traction controls, SC, et al, the numbers are out and although a superior ride it barely beats an older car.

I don't understand why one would claim that "those of us that don't believe all the hype are redeemed," because the ZL1's numbers and facts from the Nurburgring and the track at Inde Ranch are impressive and the ZL1 delivered the level of performance on the track that Chevrolet indicated that it would.

The ZL1 ran the Nurburgring in 7:41:27.

On the 2.2 mile track at Inde the ZL1 beat the Boss 302, Ford's Mustang intended for the track, by 2.45 seconds or almost 18 car lengths at the ZL1's average track speed of 78.13 MPH.

Are you attempting to argue that those numbers are not impressive, or that they didn't meet expectations?