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evlar · 01-16-2012, 10:28 AM

It seems that the cause of the rub marks above the doors are from the rail system joint rubbing/pressing against the top when down is the cause... why are some of us having this issue and others not? Logic would seem to dictate that this is a design flaw across the board.

Thoughts?

Nutbutt · 01-16-2012, 12:01 PM

There are a number of people out there with no problems. I had my top replaced when rub marks happened. TSBs were done also. Since then I havent had rub marks but I have had air leaks and water management issues that still havent been fixed. The replacement top just isn't right. Still waiting on a GM fix

Lightrider · 01-16-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by evlar

It seems that the cause of the rub marks above the doors are from the rail system joint rubbing/pressing against the top when down is the cause... why are some of us having this issue and others not? Logic would seem to dictate that this is a design flaw across the board.

Thoughts?

I doubt this explains it all but some tops close more tightly than others, which SUX's recent fix showed stops the marks and positioning the brackets differently at the factory can also help minimize rubbing.

Drago77 · 01-16-2012, 04:04 PM

It may very well be a variance in the height tolorence... we've all seen the tests Sux and I have done that clearly show how the rail lines up with the top and rubs when down, so that's inevitably the issue.... there's got to be an acceptable variation in all design specifications... I wouldn't be surprised if just a sligt series of differences in those specs among cars were enough to tighten/loosen the compression of the top and the severity of the rub marks....I think Sux said he only went up about 1/8"... that's not a lot, so to me that's plausible.

Doesn't explain why its taking GM so long to straighten his out though.

95birdible · 01-16-2012, 04:39 PM

I bet the Mythbuster's could get us a fix in one episode!!

Drago77 · 01-16-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 95birdible

I bet the Mythbuster's could get us a fix in one episode!!

What the hell... give em a shout- can't hurt!!!! Might be interested in the press on such a hot new car!

Bonanza7 · 01-23-2012, 01:13 PM

Quality control is the problem. There isn't any quality control

ctinatx · 01-23-2012, 03:17 PM

I figured I should add the following to the mix....

My car was built +/- 2 days from Dragos car if I remember correctly (2/9/11). I however did not receive mine until about a month later. The time line from camarotracking idicates mine was in Q/A for most of that time.This is my daily driver with around 13,000 miles. I have had 0 issues with my top. (very minor pinch marks, which are almost non existent). I have had the top up and down 100s of times over the past 10 months. I've driven 75 on the highway with no tonneau cover on and with it on without problems. No leaks, no water management issues, no wind noise, no rear window issues, fifth rib, etc..... nada.

Only issue I had was getting too much sun on a day in August. (ouch)

spikess581 · 01-23-2012, 04:31 PM

I wish I was you car wise any way. My car was built within days of yours and also in quality control for over a month. Everything was fine until December then all hell broke loose.Goes back tomorrow for them to try and fiqure this crap out. My service guy seems just as upset about this as I am. So it looks like QC was hit or miss. Hopefully this will be the last ''fix''.

ctinatx · 01-23-2012, 04:40 PM

spikess581, Sorry to here you are having issues. I will continue keeping an eye on mine.

Drago77 · 01-23-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ctinatx

I figured I should add the following to the mix....

My car was built +/- 2 days from Dragos car if I remember correctly (2/9/11). I however did not receive mine until about a month later. The time line from camarotracking idicates mine was in Q/A for most of that time.This is my daily driver with around 13,000 miles. I have had 0 issues with my top. (very minor pinch marks, which are almost non existent). I have had the top up and down 100s of times over the past 10 months. I've driven 75 on the highway with no tonneau cover on and with it on without problems. No leaks, no water management issues, no wind noise, no rear window issues, fifth rib, etc..... nada.

Only issue I had was getting too much sun on a day in August. (ouch)

I just reviewed GMconnects.com, Mine was built on February 10th and delivered on the 26th. I had an original TPW of the first week of January (3400 status on 1/6) then it dropped all the way back to 3000, and a new TPW in Feb...

Everything seemed to move very smoothly once the build began on 2/4, changing status's almost daily until it was received, with no appearant stops for QC... never got an explanation of why it got pushed back by a month in January, but the numbers indicate it never made it to production (or QC) to cause the January build delay...

95birdible · 01-23-2012, 05:35 PM

My 2012 was built on 7/26 and I had it on 8/4. No QC for me either. You would think one of the first off the line for the new year would of had some QC done to it. Plus, I had the second delivered in the whole damn country.

HDRDTD · 01-23-2012, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drago77

I just reviewed GMconnects.com, Mine was built on February 10th and delivered on the 26th. I had an original TPW of the first week of January (3400 status on 1/6) then it dropped all the way back to 3000, and a new TPW in Feb...

Everything seemed to move very smoothly once the build began on 2/4, changing status's almost daily until it was received, with no appearant stops for QC... never got an explanation of why it got pushed back by a month in January, but the numbers indicate it never made it to production (or QC) to cause the January build delay...

Production never started until 2-1-11.

Drago77 · 01-24-2012, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Production never started until 2-1-11.

You can check my build info via GM connects here:
http://chevroletconnects.com/viewsta...%40hotmail.com
Order 11/16,
3400 status 1/6...

The original orders were set to build beginning of Jan. In went to great lengths to ensure I was at the front of the line... like I said before tho, don't know why I went from beginning of Jan to mid Feb, but it did. And no one from the dealer to GM customer service could explain the delay.. I think i about drove Becky crazy last year, this time trying to figure it out, lol!,

Not saying cars WERE built much before, but I was scheduled significantly earlier....

01-16-2012, 10:28 AM	#1
evlar Drives: 2011 (L99) 2SS/RS vert Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Port St. Lucie, FL Posts: 200 View My Garage	Why are some having rub marks and other not? It seems that the cause of the rub marks above the doors are from the rail system joint rubbing/pressing against the top when down is the cause... why are some of us having this issue and others not? Logic would seem to dictate that this is a design flaw across the board. Thoughts?

01-16-2012, 12:01 PM	#2
Nutbutt Drives: 2011 RJT 2LT/RS Convertible Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Western Massachusetts Posts: 3,381 View My Garage	There are a number of people out there with no problems. I had my top replaced when rub marks happened. TSBs were done also. Since then I havent had rub marks but I have had air leaks and water management issues that still havent been fixed. The replacement top just isn't right. Still waiting on a GM fix __________________ 1st IPF Supercharged 2011 2LT/RS RJT Convertible

01-16-2012, 04:04 PM	#4
Drago77 Treasure Coast Camaro 5 Drives: 19 2SS vert, Mosaic Blk, A10 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Stuart, Florida Posts: 4,562 View My Garage	It may very well be a variance in the height tolorence... we've all seen the tests Sux and I have done that clearly show how the rail lines up with the top and rubs when down, so that's inevitably the issue.... there's got to be an acceptable variation in all design specifications... I wouldn't be surprised if just a sligt series of differences in those specs among cars were enough to tighten/loosen the compression of the top and the severity of the rub marks....I think Sux said he only went up about 1/8"... that's not a lot, so to me that's plausible. Doesn't explain why its taking GM so long to straighten his out though. __________________ My build:http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132722 http://www.treasurecoastcamaro5.com

01-16-2012, 04:39 PM	#5
95birdible Drives: 2012 1SS Camaro Convertible Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 1,674	I bet the Mythbuster's could get us a fix in one episode!! __________________ 2012 1SS Crystal Red Convertible "Cherry Bomb" Winner of the #NameThatCamaro Spring Special Edition "Green Flash"

01-23-2012, 03:17 PM	#8
ctinatx Drives: 2014 SS Sedan Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Seattle,Wa Posts: 1,026 View My Garage	I figured I should add the following to the mix.... My car was built +/- 2 days from Dragos car if I remember correctly (2/9/11). I however did not receive mine until about a month later. The time line from camarotracking idicates mine was in Q/A for most of that time.This is my daily driver with around 13,000 miles. I have had 0 issues with my top. (very minor pinch marks, which are almost non existent). I have had the top up and down 100s of times over the past 10 months. I've driven 75 on the highway with no tonneau cover on and with it on without problems. No leaks, no water management issues, no wind noise, no rear window issues, fifth rib, etc..... nada. Only issue I had was getting too much sun on a day in August. (ouch) __________________ 2014 Phantom Black Metallic SS Sedan Sold - 2011 2SS/RS Convertible IBM/gray interior/black top/silver rally/L99/polished wheels - ordered 11/18/2010 - Built 02/09/2011- Delivered 4/2/2011

01-23-2012, 01:13 PM	#7
Bonanza7 Account Suspended Drives: 2010, Rally Yellow, Black stripes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Phoenix Posts: 2,363	Quality control is the problem. There isn't any quality control

01-23-2012, 04:31 PM	#9
spikess581 Drives: IOM2SSconvertible,64 malibu,04fxdwg Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Bristol Pa Posts: 356	I wish I was you car wise any way. My car was built within days of yours and also in quality control for over a month. Everything was fine until December then all hell broke loose.Goes back tomorrow for them to try and fiqure this crap out. My service guy seems just as upset about this as I am. So it looks like QC was hit or miss. Hopefully this will be the last ''fix''.

01-23-2012, 04:40 PM	#10
ctinatx Drives: 2014 SS Sedan Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Seattle,Wa Posts: 1,026 View My Garage	spikess581, Sorry to here you are having issues. I will continue keeping an eye on mine. __________________ 2014 Phantom Black Metallic SS Sedan Sold - 2011 2SS/RS Convertible IBM/gray interior/black top/silver rally/L99/polished wheels - ordered 11/18/2010 - Built 02/09/2011- Delivered 4/2/2011

01-23-2012, 05:35 PM	#12
95birdible Drives: 2012 1SS Camaro Convertible Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 1,674	My 2012 was built on 7/26 and I had it on 8/4. No QC for me either. You would think one of the first off the line for the new year would of had some QC done to it. Plus, I had the second delivered in the whole damn country. __________________ 2012 1SS Crystal Red Convertible "Cherry Bomb" Winner of the #NameThatCamaro Spring Special Edition "Green Flash"