No Push Start?!?! Why Not

[kinyu]

I had a push-start on my c6. I didn't really care how people saw it, but it was nice to not hear keys when i took hard turns.

That being said, I think Chevy has it right; give the key to the muscle car and give the sport car the push start.

[mattderk]

Or retrofit with a push starts :-)

[IowaGuy]

Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Turn the key and feel the rumble IMHO.

[mlgreen]

Seems some Camaro owners envy the Challenger for having push button start, and some Challenger owners envy the Camaro for having HUD.

[hightower]

Cause a muscle car needs a key...

[BlueDragonVT]

I have said this in several of these threads, but once again....

I would not have bought this car if it had a push button start. You are asking to have your car stolen. It is a security nightmare. Push button start vehicles are the easiest cars in the world to steal. If you don't believe me, do a little research. All you have to do is buy a receiver and walk within ten feet of the keys, because they are ALWAYS TRANSMITTING. This is true of the RFID credit cards as well, which has led to major identity theft issues. Why go through all of that just to have a stupid little gadget that is becoming passe anyway? Is it really that hard to turn your key in the ignition?

Besides, I like playing with my switchblade key anyway.

[meissen]

Hello thread from 2008...

[fastball]

Originally Posted by BlueDragonVT

I have said this in several of these threads, but once again....

I would not have bought this car if it had a push button start. You are asking to have your car stolen. It is a security nightmare. Push button start vehicles are the easiest cars in the world to steal. If you don't believe me, do a little research. All you have to do is buy a receiver and walk within ten feet of the keys, because they are ALWAYS TRANSMITTING. This is true of the RFID credit cards as well, which has led to major identity theft issues. Why go through all of that just to have a stupid little gadget that is becoming passe anyway? Is it really that hard to turn your key in the ignition?

Besides, I like playing with my switchblade key anyway.

No, that's not how it works.

Yes the transponder is always transmitting, but it's also always receiving as well (hence the term "transponder" - it transmits AND responds to the handshake frequency the car puts out to the fob - for the car to start, when you press the button on the dash the car looks for the keyfob's frequency, then sends back it's own frequency to the keyfob for a "handshake", THEN the ignition process will begin only when they agree on the frequency checks).

You'd need a $20,000 spectrum analyzer to do what you're talking about. I know because I use one almost every day at work. Keyless ignition systems use what us engineers call FH - Frequency Hoping. Constantly changing, sometimes up to 12 times in one second. The RFID you talk about is a different beast from FH transponders. RFID does not employ FH, as they are fixed frequencies.

I'd like to see any Joe Blow off the street try to buy an FH spectrum analyzer to begin with. So your idea that they're the "easiest cars to steal" is a myth.

You've been watching "Gone in 60 Seconds" too much.

[CookieCk]

If you really want a button start, put one on yourself. When my ignition fried in my VW Bug I rigged up a push button start system for a couple months instead of buying a new ignition. I only did it because I didn't have time to get the ignition before I needed to drive the car(at the time my bug was my DD) and I had all the stuff to do it in my garage. I kinda liked it, it was unique, but I still prefer a keyed ignition. Probably woulda confused the crap outta anybody trying to steal it though, I had 5 switches and a button, two switches had to be flipped to make what would be the on position with a key, and then the button held down to crank the engine and released once in started. Then to turn it off I just flipped the two switches back. The other switches were for various other electrics I had in the car(Radio, lights, underglow, etc.). I coulda made it a lot simpler, but I liked the idea of me being the only person who knew what switches had to be flipped and what not to get the car going.

[mlgreen]

Originally Posted by fastball

No, that's not how it works.

Yes the transponder is always transmitting, but it's also always receiving as well (hence the term "transponder" - it transmits AND responds to the handshake frequency the car puts out to the fob - for the car to start, when you press the button on the dash the car looks for the keyfob's frequency, then sends back it's own frequency to the keyfob for a "handshake", THEN the ignition process will begin only when they agree on the frequency checks).

You'd need a $20,000 spectrum analyzer to do what you're talking about. I know because I use one almost every day at work. Keyless ignition systems use what us engineers call FH - Frequency Hoping. Constantly changing, sometimes up to 12 times in one second. The RFID you talk about is a different beast from FH transponders. RFID does not employ FH, as they are fixed frequencies.

I'd like to see any Joe Blow off the street try to buy an FH spectrum analyzer to begin with. So your idea that they're the "easiest cars to steal" is a myth.

You've been watching "Gone in 60 Seconds" too much.

^This. I've been posting on many car forums dealing with the Charger and Challenger for years and the only time I've read about thefts is when someone lost their key and a thief found it or the car was simply towed away. I know plenty people with push button cars from other manufacturers and I've never heard of theft being a problem dealing with RFID.

[Revo1]

Because it's not one of these:

[HDDAN]

If you need "push start" you should find a 1949 Ford, they had starter buttons.

[n116ebo]

My a6 does have push start. Just beeing a smart azz.