(jalopnik) Chevy’s Anti-GT500, Pro-Camaro ZL1 Smack-Talking Powerpoint

[nanokpsi]

Originally Posted by radz28

While I don't necessarily disagree, I could care less about what the Ford camp thinks, and especially the trolls. They aren't welcome here and I'll personally see them out the door. This is OUR house - they're not welcome and won't be tollerated.

I agree. I think most of the Ford guys come here to get the most up to date info in one spot whether they want one or not, and then some of the fanatics go off when someone posts something totally irrational about the other car. Then there is a group of Ford owners that are interested in the car and really like the ZL1.

Some people are just really passionate I guess and take it very seriously.

As far as comparisons the the 'V go, I don't think you can really use 'ring times if they weren't from day and track conditions. I know that is just how it is done, but the true info comes from these head to head match ups on the same track, on the same day. Track conditions could mean a couple of seconds on a small track, and an eternity on a huge track like the 'ring. I am sure we will see comparisons to the V also.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

Ford SVT Chief engineer said today that the 500 is faster around a track than the Ford GT.

Yeah, A track, but which one? That's the real question.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by nanokpsi

IMO, evryone thought the ZL1 would win in the road courses. However, the 2012 GT500 beats the CTS-V on the track, and I imagine the ZL1 will be close to the CTS-V. I don't see how people could just write off the GT500 and assume the Z will be road course king. Is is that kind of belief that casued the stir of trolls form the Ford camp.

As far as the 2013 Z coming out with big upgrades, I don't see how. the 2012 run is so short there really isn't time before the order banks are open for the 2013, unless it is a super late release much like the 2012, but even then it still takes time to develop and test everything.

At the end of the day, both cars are amazing performers. If you like the ZL1 better, you are going to buy the ZL1. Same for the Ford. There is always someone faster. Buy what you liek and enjoy the ride

Lol, the '12GT500 is not even a competitor, just about every mag agrees, hence the reason Ford will not release one to battle the '12 ZL1 (and this is where the real comparison should be)

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Yeah, A track, but which one? That's the real question.

The GT500 and the Ford GT are pretty different vehicles—but we bench marked the GT quite a bit. The GT500 and GT are roughly similar in performance up to 150 MPH and the GT500 is faster on a road course.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

Ford SVT Chief engineer said today that the 500 is faster around a track than the Ford GT.

Quarter mile times:
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.2
0-50 2.7
0-60 3.4
0-70 4.3
0-80 5.2
0-90 6.0
0-100 7.5
Passing 45-65 mph 1.4 sec
Quarter Mile 11.5 sec @ 128.7 mph

Also, the Ford GT ran a 7:40.6 at Nurburgring from an independent source (Octane Magazine).

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

Ford SVT Chief engineer said today that the 500 is faster around a track than the Ford GT.

so lets just take it at face value.

we know the new GT500 will be at least as fast the the GT was around the ring?

[evolve]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Lol, the '12GT500 is not even a competitor, just about every mag agrees, hence the reason Ford will not release one to battle the '12 ZL1 (and this is where the real comparison should be)

Should it? I was under the impression that both vehicles are going to be released before next fall?? Why test last years GT500 against this years when the ZL1 comes out this year as well?

[BATMAN!]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

so lets just take it at face value.

we know the new GT500 will be at least as fast the the GT was around the ring?

I have no clue just thought I would post what I read.

[Shurenuff]

Originally Posted by BATMAN!

The GT500 and the Ford GT are pretty different vehicles—but we bench marked the GT quite a bit. The GT500 and GT are roughly similar in performance up to 150 MPH and the GT500 is faster on a road course.

Originally Posted by evolve

Quarter mile times:
0-30 1.6 sec
0-40 2.2
0-50 2.7
0-60 3.4
0-70 4.3
0-80 5.2
0-90 6.0
0-100 7.5
Passing 45-65 mph 1.4 sec
Quarter Mile 11.5 sec @ 128.7 mph

Also, the Ford GT ran a 7:40.6 at Nurburgring from an independent source (Octane Magazine).

That's very impressive if true.

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by fox

Your focus on models years is not correct. 2012 ZL1's and 2013 GT500's will be rolling off the assembly line at the exact same time and will be in showrooms at the exact same time.

I see ZL1's rolling off the assembly line now...where are the '13 GT500's? It seems that YOUR focus on model years is incorrect. I also doubt you will see many '12 ZL1's in a showroom.

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by fox

2-3 months behind the ZL1. My statement is fact.

Come June is the transition to the '13 MY. your statement is false

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by fox

2013 GT500's are coming out in May. You use disambiguation to attempt to hide the fact that a 580hp car is beat by a 650hp car.

so...you must have had a private showing comparing the 2 vehicles head to head then....right? You're the one arguing symantics, I was just correcting you.

and btw...3 months > 1 month

[mlee]

:troll:

[Uneducated Guess]

Originally Posted by mlee

:troll:

good point...