Chevy called me, wow

[Cessna510]

It depends on what your doing in Vegas, I'm by no means a "high roller" but i love me some blackjack. Free drinks,food, and rooms flow more freely in Vegas than any other city I've been to. The dealer should have at least been nice to you while he was trying to screw you Go somewhere else and get the car you want for a fair price.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by Verio

Not everyone can have a car dropped shipped to them. What about folks that plan on trading in their old car? A good percentage of the Northeast dealers are selling above MSRP and are asking large deposits. Does that mean I should have to drive 500 + miles to find a dealer that doesn't just so I can trade in an old car?

Try using some elbow grease and sell your car yourself. You are nuts to trade vehicles in anyway. Think I would have gotten $3000.00 for my 1998 Camaro V6 Convertible in great condition had I traded it into a dealer? I think not. Please stop making excuses and take some responsibility and look for alternate solutions. These aren't difficult to deal with.

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

This issue comes up every time a new car that is tied to a legacy or performance comes out. Often times it ends up hurting the sales of the car for the first few months. In the case of the Challenger people were paying 20k over MSRP in some cases. Within a few months prices were below MSRP. Today you can buy Challengers all day well below MSRP. The dealers just hurt themselves because even though they make a killing in the short term they will hurt their long term sales. When the 2004 GTO first came out the greedy dealers were getting 10, 15, 20 k over MSRP and within 8 months GM had to create a huge rebate to move the cars that sat on the lot for months. In Jan 2005 I bought a GTO that sat on the lot for 6 months for 8k under MSRP after all the rebates and discounts.

But legally, are their laws against selling these cars too high over MSRP?

[DeathChill]

Hopefully GM will go through a bankruptcy that allows them to destroy the current dealer contracts. GM needs to reign in their dealers as it is a direct reflection of the company itself to the consumer.

I don't think there's any other retail setup more loathed then a car dealership and it really shouldn't be that way.

[domano 68]

Originally Posted by vegasmike

I am new to this list but I have lurked for a year or so. Yep I want a camaro, I bought a new one in 1967, screwed it up and wished I had it back So I decided to pay my dues and get a new one to take care of. I got on all the lists in town. To no real avail. The closest dealer got one, went in, told I could not drive it, could not buy it unless I was prepared to give the 10K over MSRP. I did not buy the car and felt treated like a real idiot, and I dont think I am a dork but I upset me so much that I went home, and wrote the dealer an email and wrote one to GM. The dealer sales manager called, he was nice enough but stuck to the idea that 10K over was ok. I said if you dont want to sell the car tell you get more, why not just say so and be honest. The email I sent to GM was similar that I did not appreciate the treatment I got from the dealer. I thought at least the sales manager called, but today GM called me and said, Hey we got your email and we would like to know what happened. The person on the phone acted like she cared what I thought and she told me this is not the first call she has made its all over the country. Dealers are marking the car up to un-resonable rates above MSRP. I said, if you sell the cars direct for MSRP, on line, the dealers could not do this. Its time that GM got with the real world. The dealer is a service station and in most cases people dont need a salesperson, and dont need to go through this silliness. Sure a sales person can be valuable but after 45 years of buying cars I can say that I dont remember a good sales experience with a car dealer. I have met some nice sales people, but dealers dont get it, and they think they make the rules.
Sorry for the drivel here, I just thought others might like to know that GM is making an effort to find out why people who want this car are upset, I am impressed. I will still buy a new camaro, Metalic Orange SS and I am sure when I get it I will love it, but for now the dealers can eat the cars they have or collect them like museum pieces.
To those dealers how are on this forum that do not follow this stupid process I apologize to you, I am sure not every dealer is like the ones here in Vegas, but it seems that people across the US are emailing and calling in and complaining so there quality dealers who are honest are in the very small minority.
Sorry for the wasted band width but I would like to know if anyone else has gotten the call from GM. Maybe someone on the list should compile the call list and publish it and send it to GM so they know that the message is getting out there.
Go Chevy.
Mike

Good points but if you really think about it, it is not the dealers fault. It is ther person buying the car. They do not have to buy the car. Get a crappy offer from a dealer, go to another one. Then the crappy dealers will go away. However, when people are paying these high prices, the dealers will stay. Simple logic.

[quickdraw]

I love how people come to Vegas once or twice in their lives and never make it more than a few blocks off of the strip. They lose their a$$ in the casino or with some "personal entertainment from Craigslist and then think that the whole city is like the fantasy land that they just visited. Just wait until you go to Hollywood.

Right now all across the country there are a bunch of dealers "getting all they can while the getting is good". It is absolutely wrong but is par for the course with the introduction of this type of car (Shelby Cobra, Challanger ect...). They are just sooting themselves in the ass, but when the next popular car comes out they will do it all over again.

I ordered my Camaro in Vegas where I live, for MSRP. I can already guess the dealer in question here, right down the street from my home. This is a new owner that took over this location after the last stealer played the same games. Right now he has the only SS in town and he's planning on making the most of it. I went there the other night and within 5 minutes I knew I would never spend a single dollar there.

By the way as I said, I love tourists. Because of them Nevada doesn't have state income tax.

[lordfriday2]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

I'm not bashing him. Why would anybody order a new car in Las Vegas where EVERYTHING is marked up ridiculously? He wouldn't have had that problem if he ordered out of county or out of state. Hence why I mentioned that a bag of potato chips costs $7.00 and that is only the tip of the crooked iceberg.

Um... I ordered for MSRP from a dealership here in Las Vegas, sounds to me like someone lost some money here and funded our school system I've never ever had any problems with my dealership who charges MSRP...

The OP probably went to Henderson Chevrolet where they would do something like that...

[DkknightX]

Originally Posted by lordfriday2

Um... I ordered for MSRP from a dealership here in Las Vegas, sounds to me like someone lost some money here and funded our school system I've never ever had any problems with my dealership who charges MSRP...

The OP probably went to Henderson Chevrolet where they would do something like that...

Actually never been to Vegas myself, but it would make sense that mark-ups aren't a real suprise there. No offense intended.

[wlvrine]

Not only are they funding the school system, but some of our jobs...thanks, buddy!
I thought the whole country was having problems??? I didn't know that Vegas was marking everything up!?
Just cuz you like to spilt 10 10, and lose, don't take it our on everyone else.
PEACE!

[2010SSRSM6]

I was in Vegas for Easter. If that town is having financial problems it sure wasn't obvious to me.

It sucks that your dealership is trying to a$$ rape its customers. Personally I think that GM should limit the number of cars they can get for pulling that. The profit in a 2SS isn't that much at the dealership level so they feel justified by lining their pockets with our hard earned money.

I looked at getting a GT-R last year and when I saw the $30,000 to $40,000 "Market Adjustment" every dealership in my area was actually getting, I had to admire from a far. I don't mind paying a fair price for a car, but there is no way I would enable a dealership to install a new swimming pool for a car that I would owe $60,000 more for than I could sell it for. That would be a bad investment on my part.

[Redwolf20]

A dealer BUYS the car from GM just like you buy it from the dealer. So, no, GM can't tell the dealer how much to sell it for and they can't do anything about it.

It would be like a dealer telling you how much you can sell a car for on Craiglist or Ebay that you previously purchased from them.

However, GM can refuse to build cars for dealerships or even ship them if they aren't in good standing. The car doesn't belong to the dealer until it's paid for by the dealer and not the customers until the paperwork is signed at the dealership.

[quickdraw]

Originally Posted by DkknightX

Actually never been to Vegas myself, but it would make sense that mark-ups aren't a real suprise there. No offense intended.

Is that the same as it "making sense" that there are markups in Emerson, NJ because Atlantic City is a few hours down the road? I'm just curious what does and doesn't make sense. Or do you work for the Atlantic City Department of Tourinsm and just trying to keep the money on the east coast?

[Miketebo22]

i got my 2SS/RS w/ sunroof, 6spd for $37,000. but i live in south dakota, and we have lots of good people here that arent out to make huge profits, just get loyal customers.

[HuJass]

There are state franchise laws that prevent the manufacturers from selling directly to the customer and setting the price of their cars. That's why the "S" in MSRP stands for "suggested"
It totally sucks that dealers do this, but it's totally legal and the manufacturers cannot do a thing about it.