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eric0353 · 02-23-2012, 01:08 AM

I had a shop tell me that the LS motors like having backpressure and that I don't need headers until I go FI. And that the performance shops with dyno's can alter your dyno to show your making more power with headers... That I would be very disappointed spending so much on headers and not noticing a power gain.

What do you think ?

caverman · 02-23-2012, 01:15 AM

I think you need to take your business to another shop that has a clue.

There are plenty good shops in the Houston area. There is a very active Camaro club as well. You need to go talk to some of those guys.

I can tell you first hand that headers and a tune will get you a significant increase in power. You won't be disappointed. Ask anyone that's done it.

I will say that they are correct in saying that they can alter the dyno to make it say what they want but realize a dyno should be used as a tool to measure the increase in power and allow for a tuner to make adjustments. Don't live by just what the HP numbers say. Look at the increase in power.

I'll be honest....with a statement like that, I wouldn't let that shop touch the tune on my car. It's obvious he doesn't have experience with adding headers to an LS motor.

keving2873 · 02-23-2012, 01:16 AM

I think thats crap. Got my ARH headers and tuned at the same time. Big seat of the pants difference. And the numbers jumped about 40whp.

eric0353 · 02-23-2012, 01:32 AM

This shop doesn't do tuning, I just called to get a price quote on installing headers only... Thanks for the only!

Does it really take a shop 5 hours to install headers and CATS?! Around $500!

keving2873 · 02-23-2012, 01:41 AM

I had one guy do the install on mine in about 3 hours.

Apex Motorsports · 02-23-2012, 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caverman

I think you need to take your business to another shop that has a clue.

This. Don't walk, run away.

Moody'sSS · 02-23-2012, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric0353

This shop doesn't do tuning, I just called to get a price quote on installing headers only... Thanks for the only!

Does it really take a shop 5 hours to install headers and CATS?! Around $500!

5 hours is a bit much for a shop...It took me 5 hours to install my headers and cats with jack stands in my garage..and it was my first time installing headers..

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Mr_Draco · 02-23-2012, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric0353

This shop doesn't do tuning, I just called to get a price quote on installing headers only... Thanks for the only!

Does it really take a shop 5 hours to install headers and CATS?! Around $500!

My dealer quoted me 4 hours labor to install a complete exhaust (headers all the way back to the axle back) or about $300.

geaux_tigerss · 02-23-2012, 07:55 AM

My buddy and I did full exhaust (headers and axle back) in 6 hours on jackstands in his driveway. This included a break for him to take the screaming baby off of his wife's hands for a while. We also had to make a run for lock tite. 5 hours for a real shop is excessive.

Smirnoff · 02-23-2012, 08:36 AM

As mentioned - go with a reputable high-performance shop or you will have problems (big).....!!!!!

IndeedSS1 · 02-23-2012, 08:55 AM

I just had headers installed yesterday replacing my SOLO midpipes. As long as you weren't already running highflow cats you will notice a big difference.

caverman · 02-23-2012, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric0353

This shop doesn't do tuning, I just called to get a price quote on installing headers only... Thanks for the only!

Does it really take a shop 5 hours to install headers and CATS?! Around $500!

WOW! that's way too expensive.

Contact MLee from the H-Town Camaro Club. They will point you to someone good that won't take you to the cleaners. Heck, you might even find a club member that's will to help you put them on for next to nothing.

eric0353 · 02-23-2012, 09:38 AM

yea, i really want to make some more power gains, my LS3 seems to be bad at acceleration from a dead stop, must be the torque management system slowing it down : ( I cant even light em up with TC off and stomping on the gas...

do you think a tune by lowering the TM will solve this issue big time?

mpyle007 · 02-23-2012, 09:42 AM

Just installed headers man and its the best money I have spent on the car thus far. CAI, long tubes and a great tune by Ted Jannetty and you will be so happy with your car's performance. You have to be careful who you are dealing with and deal with someone you can trust. Watch for the vendors posting on these forums and trust their word. A majority of them have great feedback. I have been very happy with Ted at JRE and he isnt even in my state. I have had worse luck with a so called "reputable" shop near by.

02-23-2012, 01:08 AM	#1
eric0353 Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 360 View My Garage	Headers... I had a shop tell me that the LS motors like having backpressure and that I don't need headers until I go FI. And that the performance shops with dyno's can alter your dyno to show your making more power with headers... That I would be very disappointed spending so much on headers and not noticing a power gain. What do you think ? __________________ 2017 2SS Camaro - M6 - Hyper Blue Metallic - White Pearl Rally Stripes - Khalari Interior - Khalari Knee Pads - NPP - Sunroof -

02-23-2012, 01:15 AM	#2
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	I think you need to take your business to another shop that has a clue. There are plenty good shops in the Houston area. There is a very active Camaro club as well. You need to go talk to some of those guys. I can tell you first hand that headers and a tune will get you a significant increase in power. You won't be disappointed. Ask anyone that's done it. I will say that they are correct in saying that they can alter the dyno to make it say what they want but realize a dyno should be used as a tool to measure the increase in power and allow for a tuner to make adjustments. Don't live by just what the HP numbers say. Look at the increase in power. I'll be honest....with a statement like that, I wouldn't let that shop touch the tune on my car. It's obvious he doesn't have experience with adding headers to an LS motor. __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

02-23-2012, 01:32 AM	#4
eric0353 Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 360 View My Garage	This shop doesn't do tuning, I just called to get a price quote on installing headers only... Thanks for the only! Does it really take a shop 5 hours to install headers and CATS?! Around $500! __________________ 2017 2SS Camaro - M6 - Hyper Blue Metallic - White Pearl Rally Stripes - Khalari Interior - Khalari Knee Pads - NPP - Sunroof -

02-23-2012, 07:55 AM	#9
geaux_tigerss Drives: 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 740	My buddy and I did full exhaust (headers and axle back) in 6 hours on jackstands in his driveway. This included a break for him to take the screaming baby off of his wife's hands for a while. We also had to make a run for lock tite. 5 hours for a real shop is excessive. __________________ 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 AT4 Summit White 6" Lift, 37x13.50R24's

02-23-2012, 08:36 AM	#10
Smirnoff Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Motorcity Dragway Posts: 978	As mentioned - go with a reputable high-performance shop or you will have problems (big).....!!!!! __________________ 11.90's w/headers, CAI, custom tune, slicks/skinnys, shifter & 100+ Ethyl.

02-23-2012, 01:16 AM	#3
keving2873 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 701 View My Garage	I think thats crap. Got my ARH headers and tuned at the same time. Big seat of the pants difference. And the numbers jumped about 40whp.

02-23-2012, 01:41 AM	#5
keving2873 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS RS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 701 View My Garage	I had one guy do the install on mine in about 3 hours.

02-23-2012, 08:55 AM	#11
IndeedSS1 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Eastern MO Posts: 3,786	I just had headers installed yesterday replacing my SOLO midpipes. As long as you weren't already running highflow cats you will notice a big difference. __________________ She is only memory now.

02-23-2012, 09:38 AM	#13
eric0353 Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 360 View My Garage	yea, i really want to make some more power gains, my LS3 seems to be bad at acceleration from a dead stop, must be the torque management system slowing it down : ( I cant even light em up with TC off and stomping on the gas... do you think a tune by lowering the TM will solve this issue big time? __________________ 2017 2SS Camaro - M6 - Hyper Blue Metallic - White Pearl Rally Stripes - Khalari Interior - Khalari Knee Pads - NPP - Sunroof -

02-23-2012, 09:42 AM	#14
mpyle007 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS L99 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 301	Just installed headers man and its the best money I have spent on the car thus far. CAI, long tubes and a great tune by Ted Jannetty and you will be so happy with your car's performance. You have to be careful who you are dealing with and deal with someone you can trust. Watch for the vendors posting on these forums and trust their word. A majority of them have great feedback. I have been very happy with Ted at JRE and he isnt even in my state. I have had worse luck with a so called "reputable" shop near by. __________________ *2011 Camaro 2SS L99 A6* Rotofab CAI w/ race scoop TSP Long tube headers w/ high flow cats and full x-pipe GMPP axle back exhaust system Custom Dyno tune by ARD (Advanced Racing Dynamics) BMR 1.4" Springs all four corners "There is no replacement for displacement"

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