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Old 05-03-2009, 03:59 PM   #57
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The L99 is only 400HP, so that deficit will not help it's cause.
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Old 05-03-2009, 04:09 PM   #58
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They did'nt use a real track, but that should result in a worse time, I would think. The videos-at least for motor trend-showed them on a regular street, which would make you think you could get a better launch if on a prepped track, especially for this type of car. The mph discrepancy is somewhat surprising though, maybe the cars given to the magazines for testing were fully broken in? Something still does'nt add up here. I don't see track conditions making that big a difference in the trap speed.
Not necessarily. Could be that the times/mph's are on the optimistic side when not on a real track. And I have always had WAY better success launching on the street than at the track, unless the track is FULLY prepped.

Every car that has seen a REAL track has trapped 107-108. It's still a small sample of 3-4 cars, but still...
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:05 PM   #59
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Well that is good to know that the SS will be running neck and neck with a 2003 Mach1 on Drag Radials.
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:27 PM   #60
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The L99 car is geared more aggressively, so that should mostly balance out the difference between the two motors. The auto uses 4 gears through the 1/4 and the manual only uses the first 3. The trap speed will be lower though on the auto, but et should be very close.
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:53 PM   #61
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Not necessarily. Could be that the times/mph's are on the optimistic side when not on a real track. And I have always had WAY better success launching on the street than at the track, unless the track is FULLY prepped.

Every car that has seen a REAL track has trapped 107-108. It's still a small sample of 3-4 cars, but still...

Also worth mentioning, the traction additive which helps you hook up on a strip can exacerbate wheel hop issues in cars which are prone to them. And some tracks use a lot of the stuff, last time I was at Bowling Green I nearly walked out of my shoes.
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Old 05-03-2009, 05:58 PM   #62
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:06 PM   #63
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and lets see what gets done at englishtown in the new camaro SS
That's like a Colorado Rockies player bragging about his homer totals at coors field.

on an average track on an average day, it seems the Camaro will probably be a 13.5 car @ 107-108.

It's not bad, the 05-09 Mustangs are probably on average at about 13.9's @ 100-102 while the GT500's are usually in the 12.9's @ 114 or so. I'm talking about AVERAGE days, AVERAGE tracks.


I was really surprised the OP ran 104's in the stock G8 GT though. Most I've seen run 14.0's @ 99-101 mph. That's what stumped me the most.
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Old 05-03-2009, 06:15 PM   #64
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No average track here. Tucson has an NHRA correction factor listed on their site.
Saturday night in July/August at 9 PM it will be 105 degrees F, 4% humidity, 3075 feet track altitude and and 8 knot crosswind.

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Old 05-03-2009, 06:29 PM   #65
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No average track here. Tucson has an NHRA correction factor listed on their site.
Saturday night in July/August at 9 PM it will be 105 degrees F, 4% humidity, 3075 feet track altitude and and 8 knot crosswind.

Good luck....

http://www.sirace.com/
more important than temp is the DA.

either way, your right. Not your average track there lol I like tucson, i use to go there about 4-5 times a year (family). I like the weather there MUCH more than Florida, that's for sure!
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Old 05-03-2009, 07:33 PM   #66
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That's like a Colorado Rockies player bragging about his homer totals at coors field.

on an average track on an average day, it seems the Camaro will probably be a 13.5 car @ 107-108.

It's not bad, the 05-09 Mustangs are probably on average at about 13.9's @ 100-102 while the GT500's are usually in the 12.9's @ 114 or so. I'm talking about AVERAGE days, AVERAGE tracks.

I was really surprised the OP ran 104's in the stock G8 GT though. Most I've seen run 14.0's @ 99-101 mph. That's what stumped me the most.
Oh please, we're talking about one car here, ONE. This is, after all, the same car that produced Hennessey's disappointing times. If this is a mid-13 second car in the real world then it represents an overestimation of manufacturer's claimed performance on par with the '99 Cobra fiasco. Given GM's recent history of fairly conservative performance estimates, I will need to see mediocre performance from a lot more than ONE car before making such claims, especially since all the major rags reported the car ran 13.0@110.

Quite a few mid-13's were repoted by the first group of '03 Cobra owners too.
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Oh please, we're talking about one car here, ONE. This is, after all, the same car that produced Hennessey's disappointing times. If this is a mid-13 second car in the real world then it represents an overestimation of manufacturer's claimed performance on par with the '99 Cobra fiasco. Given GM's recent history of fairly conservative performance estimates, I will need to see mediocre performance from a lot more than ONE car before making such claims, especially since all the major rags reported the car ran 13.0@110.

Quite a few mid-13's were repoted by the first group of '03 Cobra owners too.
Sources please on those cobra's.


The "rags" all use GPS equiptment rather than a real track. keep up.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:10 PM   #68
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It's funny how if someone tested the Camaro and it ran 12.90's people would say wow finally a good driver behind the wheel... When if there were 2 or 3 people only getting mid 13's then they are bad drivers. Maybe its just a mid to low 13 second car ? Though i hope its really a high 12 to low 13 second car in decent conditions.
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Any other Houston or San Antonio area 2010 Camaro owners want to show up at this track and have a little 100% stock shootout? I can probably arrange some free track time. The only rule? Your car must be 100% showroom stock, including tires. That will get us plenty of track results in a single day, on the same track.

Anyone willing to step up and drive their Camaro to the limit? Post up.
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Any other Houston or San Antonio area 2010 Camaro owners want to show up at this track and have a little 100% stock shootout? I can probably arrange some free track time. The only rule? Your car must be 100% showroom stock, including tires. That will get us plenty of track results in a single day, on the same track.

Anyone willing to step up and drive their Camaro to the limit? Post up.
I would love to if my camaro was here and you were not 2000 miles away I will be getting a chance to run mine stock in June at a track rental(if its here). It will be 100% stock at a "slow" track in the area. Where at that time of year the DA is usually in the 3500 + range. I will report in and let everybody know. DA (weather conditions) play a huge role on the track. thanks for the test.
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