camshaft for v6 camaro

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Wow! Easy folks, no reason to let this perfectly good thread go down the tube. Let's all just step away from the keyboard if we can't keep it on track.

[puertoricanfont]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Wow! Easy folks, no reason to let this perfectly good thread go down the tube. Let's all just step away from the keyboard if we can't keep it on track.

+1

[bmorecam]

Let's keep it moving guys. Tracy and mace are both good assets for the V6 community. Comments such as Tracy is copying from mace is uncalled for and really does not even belong on a forum like this. I think you should have kept that to yourself or emailed or pm'ed Tracy personally to express your feelings. At the end of the day stupidity will not only hurt your reputation but will hurt us as a whole. Us V6 guys already get bashed on just for being different and for having two less cylinders. Not really a good time for shyt like this amongst ourselves.

[mhog]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

Let's keep it moving guys. Tracy and mace are both good assets for the V6 community. Comments such as Tracy is copying from mace is uncalled for and really does not even belong on a forum like this. I think you should have kept that to yourself or emailed or pm'ed Tracy personally to express your feelings. At the end of the day stupidity will not only hurt your reputation but will hurt us as a whole. Us V6 guys already get bashed on just for being different and for having two less cylinders. Not really a good time for shyt like this amongst ourselves.

That's right! Have the stones to take the problem to that person. Keyboard balls!

[TJ91]

Let's keep the thread on track guys , we already know Mace and Tracy are the best

[ChadG]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

Let's keep it moving guys. Tracy and mace are both good assets for the V6 community. Comments such as Tracy is copying from mace is uncalled for and really does not even belong on a forum like this. I think you should have kept that to yourself or emailed or pm'ed Tracy personally to express your feelings. At the end of the day stupidity will not only hurt your reputation but will hurt us as a whole. Us V6 guys already get bashed on just for being different and for having two less cylinders. Not really a good time for shyt like this amongst ourselves.

Bmore, so true man!!! I had some d-bag in a FREAKING PRIUS come up to me the other day and ask "is that the v6 or the v8"? I'm like "DUDE, YOU'RE DRIVING A PRIUS STFU!!!"

[gotexas25]

Originally Posted by SC2150

And I owe an appology to Teas25...I sent him the email to him I intended to go to kuzeman......Thanks Texas!!

The fact that he has apologized multiple times via PM, and now publicly, attests to this gentleman's character But hey, I'll take a little abuse as long as we keep getting more LLT goodies

[mydreamcar]

That can range ALOT! You have a company such as CFM that will port our head with angle valve job starting at $1000. I heard matt D, the one who ported and did the valve job for bmwdon and now installed on gretchen's car charge $1000 for the head and intake manifold for a complete job. So you are looking at around $3300, maybe a little less or a little more for install/head/cams.

Gain on the low side probably will be around 30-40 to the rear for the combo but if I had to guess I would say around 60 and maybe more depending on the grind for the combo. We just won't know for sure though until someone actually dyno the head but according to the flow report on matt d's worked head it could be possible that we could see 40+ with just head alone.


Bmorecam so in looking at the figures, 3300$ for say roughly 40hp on the conserative side is roughly 80$ a hp, now if the hp goes higher then even better on the cost /hp ratio.

Since the idea of pulling th eheads I assume no additional labor for installing cams , right?? So we could see 60-80 hp from that set up, not bad considering a turbo is what about 100hp to the wheels for what 6k and heads and a cans is what close to 5k, or am i way off on the logic. I really am leaning towards the NA route, so this looks promising

[BigJake707]

Originally Posted by mydreamcar

That can range ALOT! You have a company such as CFM that will port our head with angle valve job starting at $1000. I heard matt D, the one who ported and did the valve job for bmwdon and now installed on gretchen's car charge $1000 for the head and intake manifold for a complete job. So you are looking at around $3300, maybe a little less or a little more for install/head/cams.

Gain on the low side probably will be around 30-40 to the rear for the combo but if I had to guess I would say around 60 and maybe more depending on the grind for the combo. We just won't know for sure though until someone actually dyno the head but according to the flow report on matt d's worked head it could be possible that we could see 40+ with just head alone.


Bmorecam so in looking at the figures, 3300$ for say roughly 40hp on the conserative side is roughly 80$ a hp, now if the hp goes higher then even better on the cost /hp ratio.

Since the idea of pulling th eheads I assume no additional labor for installing cams , right?? So we could see 60-80 hp from that set up, not bad considering a turbo is what about 100hp to the wheels for what 6k and heads and a cans is what close to 5k, or am i way off on the logic. I really am leaning towards the NA route, so this looks promising

Seems like sound logic. Only time shall tell! :p

[bmorecam]

Originally Posted by mydreamcar

Bmorecam so in looking at the figures, 3300$ for say roughly 40hp on the conserative side is roughly 80$ a hp, now if the hp goes higher then even better on the cost /hp ratio.

Since the idea of pulling th eheads I assume no additional labor for installing cams , right?? So we could see 60-80 hp from that set up, not bad considering a turbo is what about 100hp to the wheels for what 6k and heads and a cans is what close to 5k, or am i way off on the logic. I really am leaning towards the NA route, so this looks promising

Don't take my word with accuracy just yet though. I am only showing you guys the possibility. Either way you look at it, heads/cams will be a good deal especially if you can do the install yourself or find a trustable mech that will do the job for you for a low cost. There's only 3 ways to go if you want a V6 camaro to stand out from most other. 1 is all motor n/a, 2 is FI, and 3 is n/a and FI. Almost all bolt on V6 camaros right now are all the same with the same parts that I have, you have, he have, and she has, lol.

Staying n/a at this point will be much cheaper but it might also only give you half of turbo or supercharger power. It would of have been real nice if we knew what ported/valve angle head was worth, so until someone actually do this and put it on the dyno all we can do for now is just speculate and play guess the number games LOL. The flow bench number that's been established have some truth to it though, but only to a certain degree, alot of other things can affect how much hp you get at the end, but If those numbers are accurate than 60-70hp with cams/head is no brainer. Also remember that the most important aspect with cams after install is tuning. The tuning can make you hate or love your cam. There are some guys that drive around with the same exact cams and setup on the same car but one with bad bucking and surges and the other just as smooth as it can be. The only difference is the tuner that tuned the car.

[BSR-1]

Originally Posted by SC2150

Not much room for bigger valves due to the valve reliefs being so precise, but as big as we can for sure.

I suspect the piston/valve clearance is hard to measure because of the variable valve timing. You'll have to allow for a worst case and leave clearance to suit.

[mydreamcar]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

Don't take my word with accuracy just yet though. I am only showing you guys the possibility. Either way you look at it, heads/cams will be a good deal especially if you can do the install yourself or find a trustable mech that will do the job for you for a low cost. There's only 3 ways to go if you want a V6 camaro to stand out from most other. 1 is all motor n/a, 2 is FI, and 3 is n/a and FI. Almost all bolt on V6 camaros right now are all the same with the same parts that I have, you have, he have, and she has, lol.

Staying n/a at this point will be much cheaper but it might also only give you half of turbo or supercharger power. It would of have been real nice if we knew what ported/valve angle head was worth, so until someone actually do this and put it on the dyno all we can do for now is just speculate and play guess the number games LOL. The flow bench number that's been established have some truth to it though, but only to a certain degree, alot of other things can affect how much hp you get at the end, but If those numbers are accurate than 60-70hp with cams/head is no brainer. Also remember that the most important aspect with cams after install is tuning. The tuning can make you hate or love your cam. There are some guys that drive around with the same exact cams and setup on the same car but one with bad bucking and surges and the other just as smooth as it can be. The only difference is the tuner that tuned the car.

Bmorecam dont worry wont hold you to the fire, not yet (hah). but the numbers seem pretty decent with a lot of what if's for a whole lot more power than we know. I am considering this route this summer. My only issue who can do the work. Not sure. We have a few places here in the NYC area, Farks supercars and ECS, both run SS models but I assume they can do the job. Just waiting on Mace's cams so I can buy them and put them to the side and maybe do this all in one shot, when I have the money plus gotta get the wife on board. as 5k is a lot of dinero, but seems pretty worth it IF we can get that kind of power

[Macrackie]

I see Mace is waiting for custom valve "shims". I am only familiar with the suzuki outboard motors when it comes to shim buckets. On those motors every valve could have a different shim under it. Are our motors, valves shimed or is each "shim" just a tappet and not a "shim"? I guess what I am asking is would a set of cams come with 24 new "tappets" all of the same thickness or a giant box of different thickness "shims" that we would have to set and check and swap till correct? We used to stock dozens if not hundreds of shims to set the valves on our suzuki outboards.

[BSR-1]

Originally Posted by Macrackie

I see Mace is waiting for custom valve "shims". I am only familiar with the suzuki outboard motors when it comes to shim buckets. On those motors every valve could have a different shim under it. Are our motors, valves shimed or is each "shim" just a tappet and not a "shim"? I guess what I am asking is would a set of cams come with 24 new "tappets" all of the same thickness or a giant box of different thickness "shims" that we would have to set and check and swap till correct? We used to stock dozens if not hundreds of shims to set the valves on our suzuki outboards.

Same with motorcycles.......I must have a thousand dollars worth of shims sitting around.