Drag Test: 2010 Camaro SS

[THE EVIL TW1N]

not sure what time the runs were made at, but using wunderground.com (http://www.wunderground.com/history/...q_statename=NA) for weather information, the runs were made with a low of 1390 ft at 10 am to about 1900 ft at 4 pm. The track is stationed about 220 ft above sea level. Just a little more info for people that follow that sort of stuff.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Without reading the 4 pages of posts.....

General Motors......if this new Camaro runs slower than my stock 4th Gen, I'm going to be one unhappy camper. I'm not putting down 40k for less performance.....

Hey Tag,

I know you are one of the few people here that have had some decent track experience.

You and I both know track times are dependent on track location, weather, track prep, track composition, driver skill, etc.

The only way to really know if this 13.51 was "slow" is when racing another car at the exact same time and the exact same track. Just because someones 2005 GTO mustered a 13.3 somewhere else some other year is absolutely and completely irrelevant. Maybe that same GTO with the same driver could only do a 13.8 here at this track.

Just because some driver for some other magazine got a 12.95 doesn't mean he could rip off that time there at that track.

Also the 2.1 60ft time..... I'm sure you know the general rule of thumb is every 0.1 you cut off the 60' time yields about 0.2 in the overall ET. If some one could pull a 1.9 60" (which is resonable for street tires) you would cut that 13.5 to about a 13.1...and now we are back in the game all the sudden.

In general a lot of people are fretting about this 13.5 ET....it means very little over all. GM did not, in anyway, make any significant errors with the Camaro.

[Super83Z]

Also let these cars get some more miles on them. If they are anything like the LS1 cars they run a less aggressive tune until about 10K or so.

[duder4thgen]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I'm satisfied with Nineballs credentials.

Agreed. I don't think many here know just how long Tony has been in the ls* community or just how much he has done for it. The man knows his s***.

Yall need to realize 88* with Houston humidity can be a real ball breaker.

[nine1wing]

Well at least your car will look really nice in my rearview. Oh come on I had to say it, I read that all the time here Its all in good fun, I'm no brand diehard

[Nine Ball]

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

not sure what time the runs were made at, but using wunderground.com (http://www.wunderground.com/history/...q_statename=NA) for weather information, the runs were made with a low of 1390 ft at 10 am to about 1900 ft at 4 pm. The track is stationed about 220 ft above sea level. Just a little more info for people that follow that sort of stuff.

To answer your question, the passes were made between 3:30-4:30 pm that day. It was windy too, and going the wrong direction. I'm pleased with how the car ran, considering the conditions. As for my driving skill, it is easier for some of you to talk than it is to drive. Can't shift much quicker than powershifting. That pause you hear after each gear is the torque management, the throttle never lifted on my end. Had I shifted any slower, you would hear it hit the rev limiter.

Again, anyone in the Texas area who wants to come run their own Camaro on the same track, same day, I can arrange this. FREE. Lets see if any keyboard racers can click off the 12.99 that they think they can nail.

But, you have to agree to post your 13.9s and 14.1s should you happen to run those too...

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

Okay, some more comments. I also owned an '06 GTO prior, own the '09 G8 GT in those pics, and also have an '09 Z06. The GTO was by far the worst when it came to wheel hop. The Camaro has hop, but it isn't as violent as the GTO hop was. The Z06 has hardly any at all, it is very simple to launch. FYI, my bone stock Z06 went 11.55 @ 125 mph on this same track, on stock runflat tires in 70F weather. The G8 GT ran 13.86 @ 104 mph yesterday, it is also completely stock. Zero wheel hop in the auto G8, it was as simple as flooring the throttle, it cut a 1.9 60'.

As for my "poor" driving skills, those who know me would disagree with that comment. Hell, I was the first LS1/M6 f-body owner to run 11s on motor, nearly a decade ago. I set numerous manual LS1 records along the way. My best ET on a bone stock LS1 f-body was 12.85 @ 109 mph (2001 Z28 base). I've also owned/raced several 10-second 6-speed LS powered cars. Honestly, it doesn't take a "skilled driver" to run a mid-13 second car. Nobody would have gotten a better 60' here, we tried. The delicate balance of spin/hop/bog made it impossible. Like someone said, look up Density Altitude and learn how that affects a car at the track. BTW, those gear upshifts were powershifts. Throttle didn't come off the floor. What you are hearing is the torque management partially shutting the t-body after the shift, and the timing ramping back up. I couldn't shift it any faster, and if I could it wouldn't have mattered with the torque management stepping in between each gear.

Launch control was more like bog-o-matic. It was easier to control it yourself.

Tony

I thought you drove the hell out of it Tony......probably better than 99% of the guys here could....and you certainly drove it better than Hennessy did.

[Pro Stock John]

I look forward to seeing the other times folks run, it's always fun to see a record set, and then fall. I bet the car would run a full tenth faster with a long cool down.

[Crowley]

Originally Posted by djsnoflake

OH, That's why it's so slow. He probably took out half the engine parts and put them in another customer's car. Did the Camaro still have it's hood, or was he trying to sell someone a body kit?

lol .. well said ..

Crowley

[Fleet1]

Originally Posted by Super83Z

Also let these cars get some more miles on them. If they are anything like the LS1 cars they run a less aggressive tune until about 10K or so.

The LS3 will "wake up" after 3k or so miles, even with a tune miles will free the car up.
I and many others have noted a change in performance after 3k or so miles. The LS7 seems to require a few more miles to "wake up", in the 5 to 6 k area.

[Camino502]

Thanks to tons of bracket racing, lets look at some things, one 80 + degrees, and humidity, if its this past weekend, cars at our local track ( lufkin ) were all 2 tenths slower than last week. 10 to 15 mph head wind, thats kills a tenth or so and hurts the mph. If the car cut a 1.9X 60' you would see about 3 tenths come off it. 60 foot and the air being not so good make the car 110mph and 13 flat high 12's give it time guys, it will haul the mail.

[Nine Ball]

Originally Posted by Camino502

Thanks to tons of bracket racing, lets look at some things, one 80 + degrees, and humidity, if its this past weekend, cars at our local track ( lufkin ) were all 2 tenths slower than last week. 10 to 15 mph head wind, thats kills a tenth or so and hurts the mph. If the car cut a 1.9X 60' you would see about 3 tenths come off it. 60 foot and the air being not so good make the car 110mph and 13 flat high 12's give it time guys, it will haul the mail.

Exactly. Glad to see some other bracket racers here. I was a bracket race addict for about 5 years straight, used to run my LS1 Formula twice a week back then. I logged over 1,000 passes in that car, taking careful notes of weather changes and track conditions, tire pressures, etc...

The 2010 Camaro is easily a low 13 car in better conditions. Probably could have gone a tenth and a half quicker if the engine was cooled to ambient. Unfortunately, the time schedule didn't allow for cool down. I wanted more seat time with the car to learn its launch quirks and shift points. I don't see 12s happening on 20" OEM tires until we get some -1500 DA conditions, on a hooking track. The automatics should run bottom 13s no problem though, as they do not shock the tires on the launch.

Tony

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Nine Ball

Exactly. Glad to see some other bracket racers here. I was a bracket race addict for about 5 years straight, used to run my LS1 Formula twice a week back then. I logged over 1,000 passes in that car, taking careful notes of weather changes and track conditions, tire pressures, etc...

The 2010 Camaro is easily a low 13 car in better conditions. Probably could have gone a tenth and a half quicker if the engine was cooled to ambient. Unfortunately, the time schedule didn't allow for cool down. I wanted more seat time with the car to learn its launch quirks and shift points. I don't see 12s happening on 20" OEM tires until we get some -1500 DA conditions, on a hooking track. The automatics should run bottom 13s no problem though, as they do not shock the tires on the launch.

Tony

Like I said above, I am right there with you and Camino502. People get hung up on the 13.5 time before really thinking about the conditions that produced it.

I also keep forgetting that there are 20" OEMs on that car. Maybe a 1.9 60ft is a little more challenging than I originally thought.

[BowtieGuy]

I know I probably couldn't have done any better. That heat soak must have been ridiculous dude. Run after run after run, car gets tired guys.