My new OBX headers :-)

[BigCarrot]

Originally Posted by Moody'sSS

Okay you have my ear..obx racing is located in America..why hasn't kooks sued them for copyright infringement? If they have please direct me to proof..not some bias side by side comparison by a vendor..also how does marylandspeed know where these headers are made?..I need proof not some unsubstantiated accusation.. also..if it is so easy to knock off headers..where are ARH knock offs, stainless works knock offs or any other American made header knock offs..this is your opportunity to change how some think about this issue..

This thread is just a merry go round. When people asked for photo evidence.. Maryland put them side by side and then that wasn't good enough. I mean if you see a guy selling $1000 audio equipment out of a van for 500 bucks what do you think is going on?

This is the exact reason I chose to keep that opinion to myself but reading this morning prompted me to respond. Whether or not a company hasn't sued is on them. If you need that to belive it then so be it.

I'm not going to try to beat my beliefs/opinions into you. That was my opinion on the matter and that's all. Just offering a different perspective so maybe all of yall ripping into Maryland Speed would lay off and this thread may die. Certainly doesn't appear it ever will though.

[Moody'sSS]

Originally Posted by BigCarrot

This thread is just a merry go round. When people asked for photo evidence.. Maryland put them side by side and then that wasn't good enough.

one word "no".



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[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by BigCarrot

This thread is just a merry go round. When people asked for photo evidence.. Maryland put them side by side and then that wasn't good enough. I mean if you see a guy selling $1000 audio equipment out of a van for 500 bucks what do you think is going on?

This is the exact reason I chose to keep that opinion to myself but reading this morning prompted me to respond. Whether or not a company hasn't sued is on them. If you need that to belive it then so be it.

I'm not going to try to beat my beliefs/opinions into you. That was my opinion on the matter and that's all. Just offering a different perspective so maybe all of yall ripping into Maryland Speed would lay off and this thread may die. Certainly doesn't appear it ever will though.

I started this thread to share with my fellow C5 members that you get a high quality stainless steel header without having to spend $1500. Trust me if I wasn't 100% happy with my purchase I would have not been silent and if my OBX's ever fail I will be the first to humbly come on here and say I was wrong. After Maryland speeds initial attack I said we should agree to disagree and that the chinese vs usa debate will go on till the end of time. That debate will never end because the fact is both sides make very valid points.

This thread unfortunately lost its way along time ago because the "I only buy american parts for my australian, canadian, mexican, chinese camaro" hypocrites just couldn't keep quiet. If I started a OBX vs whoever thread then the ASSumptions would have been welcomed.

Im very happy with my OBX headers, as are countless others, period.

[egp]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

I started this thread to share with my fellow C5 members that you get a high quality stainless steel header without having to spend $1500. Trust me if I wasn't 100% happy with my purchase I would have not been silent and if my OBX's ever fail I will be the first to humbly come on here and say I was wrong. After Maryland speeds initial attack I said we should agree to disagree and that the chinese vs usa debate will go on till the end of time. That debate will never end because the fact is both sides make very valid points.

This thread unfortunately lost its way along time ago because the "I only buy american parts for my australian, canadian, mexican, chinese camaro" hypocrites just couldn't keep quiet. If I started a OBX vs whoever thread then the ASSumptions would have been welcomed.

Im very happy with my OBX headers, as are countless others, period.

OK，你可能會高興，但請你的普通話練習，使你能說出你的孫子後，共產黨交給的鑰匙，以偉大的美國 ！

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by egp

OK，你可能會高興，但請你的普通話練習，使你能說出你的孫子後，共產黨交給的鑰匙，以偉大的美國 ！

Awww, I remember when I had my first beer.

[MarylandSpeed]

See it's not so much a China vs. USA debate. I think most of the people who buy these headers want it to be that...so they can continue to lean on the Camaro made in Canada BS. It is more a debate of if it okay to knock off an American company's products and sell cheap chinese producted imitations as your own for a 3rd the price. I personally have a lot of interest in Now I know in the rest of retail this practice if front upon..and the only the only reason it is marginally accepatble here is that they don't have a Kooks badge.

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

I started this thread to share with my fellow C5 members that you get a high quality stainless steel header without having to spend $1500. Trust me if I wasn't 100% happy with my purchase I would have not been silent and if my OBX's ever fail I will be the first to humbly come on here and say I was wrong. After Maryland speeds initial attack I said we should agree to disagree and that the chinese vs usa debate will go on till the end of time. That debate will never end because the fact is both sides make very valid points.

This thread unfortunately lost its way along time ago because the "I only buy american parts for my australian, canadian, mexican, chinese camaro" hypocrites just couldn't keep quiet. If I started a OBX vs whoever thread then the ASSumptions would have been welcomed.

Im very happy with my OBX headers, as are countless others, period.

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

See it's not so much a China vs. USA debate. I think most of the people who buy these headers want it to be that...so they can continue to lean on the Camaro made in Canada BS. It is more a debate of if it okay to knock off an American company's products and sell cheap chinese producted imitations as your own for a 3rd the price. I personally have a lot of interest in Now I know in the rest of retail this practice if front upon..and the only the only reason it is marginally accepatble here is that they don't have a Kooks badge.

Wait, so your saying guys who bought OBX came in here and said they are superior because they are supposedly made in china? Um, I think it was the other way around. Are you also saying that the camaro being built in canada with chinese and mexican parts is false?

[AzItaliaSS]

Obvioulsy there are more of us then "just a handful of the same 5-10 guys" that are looking for a midrange price header , I myself kept quiet for months after reading the same ole " for every 1 of you guys there are 6 that buy from me" BS. Obvioulsy not, or these companies would all be out of business and sued as they are american. I myself know plenty of owners that have various brands of headers, none of which were bought from maryland, and none have complained to date about there headers. I will enjoy my Stainless Powers I just purchased, and will use the saved money for the tune. So thanks again for great midrange header opinions guys, Keepem coming!

[Mud]

I don't think anyone is saying not to buy something made in China. It's not that at all. We all know the Camaro is made in Canada with parts sourced all over the world.

I think what they're saying is someone in China is making a identical copy of a product that someone else took a lot of time, money, engineering, and their own hard work to sell as their own.

Let's say you spent the good part of a year writing the lyrics and music for an album. You record all the songs. You send your buddy a demo disc. And within three months, you hear one of your songs being played on the radio.

You wouldn't be pissed? That's OK to do? Steal someone else's hard work, intellectual property and claim it as your own? Someone else makes money off of YOUR work?

If OBX did copy this design and now sells it for half price because someone else did all the hard work, then yes, I would think that's morally repugnant, unethical, and in fact, criminal. Trying to work these things through the courts is much more difficult than if it were someone you were trying to prosecute in the U.S. alone. There's a whole other set of hoops and obstacles to go through involving a different country.

I understand the OP's reason for trying to buy headers at a discount price. They do seem pricey and back in the day, the Hedman headers on my Chevelle (even adjusted for inflation) only cost a couple hundred bucks.

Is it his responsibility to exhaust every avenue to determine if the product he's buying is not a ripoff of someone else's design? That seems to be the question.

Typically, when one gets a good look at counterfeit merchandise, say shoes that say "Nike" , copies of those expensive purses and clothing brands, a fake Rolex, there's a reason why it's so cheap. Because it is of inferior quality and they are violating all kinds of laws.

I'm not saying that a good pair of Headers can't be made for a good price. Doug Thorley makes a good header at a good price.

But if someone willingly pays for a watch they KNOW is a cheap knock off of the authentic item, then yes, that's wrong in my opinion. But I don't shave any one else's face in the mirror but mine. They have to look at themselves.

[MarylandSpeed]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Wait, so your saying guys who bought OBX came in here and said they are superior because they are supposedly made in china? Um, I think it was the other way around. Are you also saying that the camaro being built in canada with chinese and mexican parts is false?

You are the one who said in the post above you wanted to to tell people about your superior header that did not cost $1500. There is nothing superior about your header. The Camaro being built in Canada with Mexican parts is a diversion really. A crutch that people bring up, when they want to redirect and not handle the actual issue that the parts are a Chinese knock off of Kooks. That and the whole "Why donesn't Kooks get a patent" argument.

[The SwiftChancelor]

Originally Posted by Mud

I don't think anyone is saying not to buy something made in China. It's not that at all. We all know the Camaro is made in Canada with parts sourced all over the world.

I think what they're saying is someone in China is making a identical copy of a product that someone else took a lot of time, money, engineering, and their own hard work to sell as their own.

Let's say you spent the good part of a year writing the lyrics and music for an album. You record all the songs. You send your buddy a demo disc. And within three months, you hear one of your songs being played on the radio.

You wouldn't be pissed? That's OK to do? Steal someone else's hard work, intellectual property and claim it as your own? Someone else makes money off of YOUR work?

If OBX did copy this design and now sells it for half price because someone else did all the hard work, then yes, I would think that's morally repugnant, unethical, and in fact, criminal. Trying to work these things through the courts is much more difficult than if it were someone you were trying to prosecute in the U.S. alone. There's a whole other set of hoops and obstacles to go through involving a different country.

I understand the OP's reason for trying to buy headers at a discount price. They do seem pricey and back in the day, the Hedman headers on my Chevelle (even adjusted for inflation) only cost a couple hundred bucks.

Is it his responsibility to exhaust every avenue to determine if the product he's buying is not a ripoff of someone else's design? That seems to be the question.

Typically, when one gets a good look at counterfeit merchandise, say shoes that say "Nike" , copies of those expensive purses and clothing brands, a fake Rolex, there's a reason why it's so cheap. Because it is of inferior quality and they are violating all kinds of laws.

I'm not saying that a good pair of Headers can't be made for a good price. Doug Thorley makes a good header at a good price.

But if someone willingly pays for a watch they KNOW is a cheap knock off of the authentic item, then yes, that's wrong in my opinion. But I don't shave any one else's face in the mirror but mine. They have to look at themselves.

Wow, so long I couldn't read the whole thing. Thats whats bad about posting messages this long but anyways. I get what your saying but you can't compare someone stealing your song and its on the radio before yours comes out because headers are clearly different. Theres lots of headers that look similar and I've never doubted that the OBX is a copied product I just believe you have a right to decide what you want American or Chinese, crap or a great product. If they stole their idea they should do something about it, if not or if they can't then maybe try a redesign to distance yourself from the Chinese product. I don't know what to tell you guys, knock off or not, people like them and are working for them.

[The SwiftChancelor]

Originally Posted by MarylandSpeed

You are the one who said in the post above you wanted to to tell people about your superior header that did not cost $1500. There is nothing superior about your header. The Camaro being built in Canada with Mexican parts is a diversion really. A crutch that people bring up, when they want to redirect and not handle the actual issue that the parts are a Chinese knock off of Kooks. That and the whole "Why donesn't Kooks get a patent" argument.

Are you drinking, this thread is for people who like this product not for you to bash it because it harms your sales. You say a diversion, a crutch for pointing out that the Camaro is built with Mexican parts in Canada? One of your main complaints other than OBX steals Kooks ideas is us Americans buying Chinese instead of American. If you look at it that way then how is buying a Camaro American? You don't make sense, drop this thread, you won't win.

[sschevybear11]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Yes. Getting a tune just makes it better.

And how much better you won't believe!

[Brianskeet]

A couple of years ago my house was broken into and much was stolen. No doubt it was resold to someone else on the cheap. They got a great deal on some really nice stuff. They are also dirty pieces of filth as are the ones who ripped me off. The evidence I have seen makes it appear to me that OBX has ripped off Kooks. That alone is enough to make me steer well clear of them. If I am wrong and they did all their own research and just somehow managed to make the same headers then I am sorry. I will not take the chance on doing business with a thief. I would be more than happy to listen to an OBX representative on the subject. I'm not closed minded, just doing what appears to me to be right.