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Rock36 · 03-07-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Please show me where I stated that superchargers are immune from heat soak issues?

Yet another of many straw man arguments.

I know where you were going with what you were saying.

The burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim. Otherwise it can be an appeal to ignorance "lack of evidence" which is a logical fallacy.

MauriSSio · 03-07-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock36

I know where you were going with what you were saying.

The burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim. Otherwise it can be an appeal to ignorance "lack of evidence" which is a logical fallacy.

well, you can always say the original claim was made by GM. They said they ran the ZL1 without "issues" but never posted anything pertaining to lap times and what they would consider a serious or reportable issue. To some, heat soak is a serious issue, to others its just a normal thing and to be expected.

GoldenBear · 03-07-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

i dont see anywhere in your posts that says the ZL1 engineers somehow got rid of heat soak.

That's because I didn't state that Chevrolet engineers completely eliminated heat soak from the ZL1.

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

Heat soak is a common issue, and it seems the ZL1 was able to make those laps without anything out of the ordinary,

Exactly. No significant heat soak complaints were registered.

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

... which is good.but Ordinary still = heat soak still though.

And your point is ... ?????

Rock36 · 03-07-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MauriSSio

well, you can always say the original claim was made by GM. They said they ran the ZL1 without "issues" but never posted anything pertaining to lap times and what they would consider a serious issue. To some, heat soak is a serious issue, to others its just a normal thing and to be expected.

Sure, if GM explicitly stated heat soak wasn't an issue, that is really not here nor there. I just knew that GoldenBear was taking issue with TooSlow saying someone had to prove to her the absence of significant heat soak.

We all know that motors heat soak, including N/A motors, it is how much performance degredation occurs with the heat soak that is in contention.

Fenderaddict2 · 03-07-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevorw24

Nice to see a lover of Ford and GM, like me. I like the new ride btw!

Love 'em both too. Ford vs. Chevy... Forever!

IOMZL1 · 03-07-2012, 05:23 PM

According to the comments at 6:48 in the video and a little data analysis it seems the ZL1 could suffer significant heat soak and still be significantly quicker than the Boss.

tooslow · 03-07-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock36

I know where you were going with what you were saying.

The burden of proof always lies with the person making the claim. Otherwise it can be an appeal to ignorance "lack of evidence" which is a logical fallacy.

Before I even posted, I knew my biggest fan on this site, GB, was going to jump in with his infinite wisdom and "correct" me, so that statement was put it in at the end for his benefit. Put out a little honey and the bears come running!

Rock36 · 03-07-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

Before I even posted, I knew my biggest fan on this site, GB, was going to jump in with his infinite wisdom and "correct" me, so that statement was put it in at the end for his benefit. Put out a little honey and the bears come running!

Then allow me to gracefully step away from your cat and mouse games with GoldenBear

*radz28* · 03-07-2012, 06:24 PM

Please keep comments on-topic and polite.

Pete - good catch! I didn't remember about the tires (I knew there was something else, but couldn't put my finger on it).

Tirerack lists those Corsas as COMPETITION TIRES. ZL1's Goodyears are listed as Maximum Performance. While competition tires do not make a racecar (because I don't consider ZR1 and Z06 racecars), that goes further, IMO, to show the true capabilities of ZL1. It's running around on non-competition tires; to think that you could slap a set of competition tires like the Corsas or Sport Cups and get even more performance (still keenly aware of the PTM programming with the G2s) is just great! Anyways - I look forward to improvements from GM for ZL1 and think how it performs now couldn't be reasonably better

Happy_Dan · 03-07-2012, 06:29 PM

You are correct, I deleted my post, sorry and took some advice I received and used the ignore feature.

GoldenBear · 03-07-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

Before I even posted, I knew my biggest fan on this site, GB, was going to jump in with his infinite wisdom and "correct" me, so that statement was put it in at the end for his benefit. Put out a little honey and the bears come running!

Although it may seem so, my wisdom isn't really infinite. However, it is quite extensive from years of experience.

You might find it helpful if you acquaint yourself with, and make use of, the Yale Alumni Association's Discussion Groups Etiquette, because if you do, your posts here might appear a little less negative and be more well received.

ffrcobra_65 · 03-07-2012, 06:42 PM

They'll be videos of ZL1 getting its arse spanked by this car and that car but I don't care what is faster than the new ZL1...that crap doesn't dampen my WANT to get one in RED! well, maybe white or yellow....

Happy_Dan · 03-07-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

They'll be videos of ZL1 getting its arse spanked by this car and that car but I don't care what is faster than the new ZL1...that crap doesn't dampen my WANT to get one in RED! well, maybe white or yellow....

What about Orange?

ShnOmac · 03-07-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy_Dan

took some advice I received and used the ignore feature.

I prefer to use the report button instead of the ignore button. It help's the entire community that way.

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radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,803 View My Garage	Please keep comments on-topic and polite. Pete - good catch! I didn't remember about the tires (I knew there was something else, but couldn't put my finger on it). Tirerack lists those Corsas as COMPETITION TIRES. ZL1's Goodyears are listed as Maximum Performance. While competition tires do not make a racecar (because I don't consider ZR1 and Z06 racecars), that goes further, IMO, to show the true capabilities of ZL1. It's running around on non-competition tires; to think that you could slap a set of competition tires like the Corsas or Sport Cups and get even more performance (still keenly aware of the PTM programming with the G2s) is just great! Anyways - I look forward to improvements from GM for ZL1 and think how it performs now couldn't be reasonably better __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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Happy_Dan Happy_Dan Drives: 2012 IOM Camaro ZL1 #569 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: New Boston, NH Posts: 2,252	You are correct, I deleted my post, sorry and took some advice I received and used the ignore feature. Last edited by Happy_Dan; 03-07-2012 at 06:46 PM.

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ffrcobra_65 Account Suspended Drives: SuperCharged 2SS/RS IOM MN6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: CA Posts: 5,094	They'll be videos of ZL1 getting its arse spanked by this car and that car but I don't care what is faster than the new ZL1...that crap doesn't dampen my WANT to get one in RED! well, maybe white or yellow....