Camaro Air Bag Sensor Problem (reads off when passenger is present)

[jtfire006]

only problem with taking it back to the dealer is that it will not work at all then, at least now it works half the time, plus the greasy handprints the new scratches and the other problems that will arise, you would think these people would be trained on these new vehicles when they come out, but most of the service depts act like they know nothing which makes us all cringe just to walk into a dealship. give me the tsb's
i will fix it myself since i follow these threads and now know 10 times as much about the camaro convertible then the idiots that are suppose to be trained on them.

[ambientweather]

I have spoken to several other owners off line with the same issue.

It is amazing that GM blames:

1. Cell phone use
2. Seat position
3. Passenger weight (although my wife weighs 160 lb and reproduced on their ODBCII computer, which classified her as an infant).
4. Passenger position (yes, she is sitting forward with both feet on the ground).
5. How the passenger gets into the car
6. Passenger weight distribution (whatever that means)
7. Entering the passenger seat while the car is in drive (huh?)

WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE... the car has a faulty passenger air bag system?

What is going to happen to Chevy is an accident will occur and no air bag will deploy. A smart attorney will find the thread and associated videos, and they might start taking this more seriously.

[boxmonkeyracing]

As stated in your other thread.

One there is a problem, and it needs to be fixed.

Two calling it a hunk of junk and not driving it because of an Air Bag is ridiculous. remember the 80's? or should we just remove old cars that just have seat belts from the roads? Since they are death traps, in your words. I've had relatives hurt due to air bags. . .

Now As for the actual problem. You say your an Aircraft engineer. I'm sure you know how to use a meter. Since GM isn't "helping" you, help them. It sounds like one of two possible things. Sensor adjustment is off or resistance is high in the harness. This is only going off what I know of Aircraft systems as well. Since I fix Instruments and Flight controls (autopilot mainly) and deal with black boxes.

As was suggested in your other thread. Have you tried a different dealership? Phoenix is a good size city. I'm sure there are multipul dealerships in the area. Maybe their tech/s have no idea what they are doing with air bag sensors.

running this through a news outlet for maybe less than 5 cars is drumming up noise that isn't even needed. If you hate the car this much lemon law it. It's been to the dealership more than 4 times for the same issue and still has yet to be fixed, and you've notified them in writing. AZ law (http://www.carlemon.com/lemon/AZ_law.html) is pretty clear on this. you have 24 months and the car has to have been seen 4 times for the same thing and still not fixed. This car meets all of the above.

[Juan S. V.-L. Ramirez]

how comes
that to me (from the old world, european mainland) at once
Ralph Nader
comes to my mind:
Quote:
Unsafe at Any Speed
history is always repeating itself
even at gm
i cannot believe the way the general is treating the people paying for him, as taxpayers and as customers
maybe you should get an exec from gm and place him in the passangerseat for a crashtest
maybe that will teach them to understand the prob. (i know this is rude, but we are NOT talking about some paint chipping off or something, but about one of the most important life-saving components in your car)

feeling sorry
that this beautiful car is causing you so much trouble

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by Juan S. V.-L. Ramirez

how comes
that to me (from the old world, european mainland) at once
Ralph Nader
comes to my mind:
Quote:
Unsafe at Any Speed
history is always repeating itself
even at gm
i cannot believe the way the general is treating the people paying for him, as taxpayers and as customers
maybe you should get an exec from gm and place him in the passangerseat for a crashtest
maybe that will teach them to understand the prob. (i know this is rude, but we are NOT talking about some paint chipping off or something, but about one of the most important life-saving components in your car)

feeling sorry
that this beautiful car is causing you so much trouble

LOL you're killing me here. I'm sure the exec would walk away from the accident. may have a little more bruising but still walk away. On top of Nader. screw him. He was motivated financially like everyone else.

we are living in a society of people scared of everything.

[Angrybird 12]

Big question, is this problem unique to the convertible? If so look for any other commonalities between cars with the problem. Do all have leather seats? Do all have heated seats? ETC... To properly diagnose the problem you need to narrow down which options the cars with the problems have.

[ambientweather]

I just think when you pay $49k, an important safety feature should work. I don't recall calling it a hunk of junk. Not in my vernacular.

As an aircraft mechanic, would you release an aircraft for flight with a critical fault present?

I mean, before there were digital controllers we flew in analog or mechanical controlled aircraft. They weren't as safe.

However, when my wife gets in the car, I feel a natural response to protect her. I hope you feel the same way about your loved ones and airplane passengers.

If I take the seat apart, it may void my complaint with bbb. Even if I found a high impedance or a faulty connector, they won't fix it. No mechanic will touch anything unless directed by GM.

I do think that accepting sub standard cars is what got GM in trouble in the first. I am coming from Lexus and they resolved everything, no matter the expense.

.

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

As stated in your other thread.

One there is a problem, and it needs to be fixed.

Two calling it a hunk of junk and not driving it because of an Air Bag is ridiculous. remember the 80's? or should we just remove old cars that just have seat belts from the roads? Since they are death traps, in your words. I've had relatives hurt due to air bags. . .

Now As for the actual problem. You say your an Aircraft engineer. I'm sure you know how to use a meter. Since GM isn't "helping" you, help them. It sounds like one of two possible things. Sensor adjustment is off or resistance is high in the harness. This is only going off what I know of Aircraft systems as well. Since I fix Instruments and Flight controls (autopilot mainly) and deal with black boxes.

As was suggested in your other thread. Have you tried a different dealership? Phoenix is a good size city. I'm sure there are multipul dealerships in the area. Maybe their tech/s have no idea what they are doing with air bag sensors.

running this through a news outlet for maybe less than 5 cars is drumming up noise that isn't even needed. If you hate the car this much lemon law it. It's been to the dealership more than 4 times for the same issue and still has yet to be fixed, and you've notified them in writing. AZ law (http://www.carlemon.com/lemon/AZ_law.html) is pretty clear on this. you have 24 months and the car has to have been seen 4 times for the same thing and still not fixed. This car meets all of the above.

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by ambientweather

I just think when you pay $49k, an important safety feature should work. I don't recall calling it a hunk of junk. Not in my vernacular.

As an aircraft mechanic, would you release an aircraft for flight with a critical fault present?

I mean, before there were digital controllers we flew in analog or mechanical controlled aircraft. They weren't as safe.

However, when my wife gets in the car, I feel a natural response to protect her. I hope you feel the same way about your loved ones and airplane passengers.

If I take the seat apart, it may void my complaint with bbb. Even if I found a high impedance or a faulty connector, they won't fix it. No mechanic will touch anything unless directed by GM.

I do think that accepting sub standard cars is what got GM in trouble in the first. I am coming from Lexus and they resolved everything, no matter the expense.

.

Originally Posted by ambientweather

Got it, thanks, should have parked it 10 months ago. I will not drive it with a passanger in the car which means it wil sit in my garage, until this bucket of junk is fixed.

I am tired of lame excuses. It is not seat placement. It is not cell phones, It is not how my wife sits. It is the car, it is not me.

I'm sorry not a hunk of junk, but bucket of junk. Same difference.


but your point about as an Aircraft mechanic and critical fault. I'm sorry an Air Bag is not a critical fault. It's like Auto pilot. you can fly the plane with or with out it. I've seen pilots take things I wouldn't take if I was flying the thing. I've also seen them cry about a freaking light that is pulsating even though the system works as advertised and the light will illuminate brightly if a fault occurs. I've also worked C-130E Aircaft. Those are still ANALOG. They are safe! hell that plane was designed in the 40's and still has 50's tech on it. are you telling me that we need to stop flying that aircraft because it doesn't have a digital flight control processor, or flight management bus? how about adding in it doesn't have an embedded GPS/INU. it still uses an old rickety INU and two magnetic compasses, big dial gauges.

point being the system is broken, but to run around scared and not allowing your wife, family or friends to ride with you is kind of ridiculous. What did you do back in the 80's? walk every where? Not all vehicles have Air Bags.

I have not disputed your claim that it needs to be fixed. obviously it does. And having one side of the story doesn't really help me take sides on GM or yours. For all I know you won't allow them to have the car for a couple days. or They are being complete dicks about it at those dealerships you've taken it to. I don't know. We only have your side of the story. I'm sorry you feel GM is doing you wrong. and I have a feeling you won't be a repeat customer for a while. like I said before. if they won't fix it. lemon law it. that simple. you've been to the dealer more than 4 times in the last 12 months for the same issue. The law applies. either that or find a GM tech that will fix it right. it's one of the two. If you keep the car knowing this problem exists then it's your own fault.

I hardly ever go out side of one section on this site, and finally after getting the vert I start looking in here. I start seeing complaint after complaint about stuff. Some of it legit. some of it seems pretty blown out of proportion. and your reaction to not allowing anyone to ride with you is blown out of proportion, IMHO.

Society today runs around scared. sometimes I think all this safety equipment gets us hurt worse. oh I've got air bags and seat belts so I can drive like an idiot.

[Les7311]

Stealership fixed it.

Charge 1.5 hours labor to Chevy, but prob takes 3 hours......wonder what they tore up to make this fix?

[ambientweather]

I heard there is a new tsb?

[ambientweather]

It's been in 4 times for a total of 21 days. Each time it was reproducible up to about 190 lbs.

Maybe this is normal.

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

I'm sorry not a hunk of junk, but bucket of junk. Same difference.


but your point about as an Aircraft mechanic and critical fault. I'm sorry an Air Bag is not a critical fault. It's like Auto pilot. you can fly the plane with or with out it. I've seen pilots take things I wouldn't take if I was flying the thing. I've also seen them cry about a freaking light that is pulsating even though the system works as advertised and the light will illuminate brightly if a fault occurs. I've also worked C-130E Aircaft. Those are still ANALOG. They are safe! hell that plane was designed in the 40's and still has 50's tech on it. are you telling me that we need to stop flying that aircraft because it doesn't have a digital flight control processor, or flight management bus? how about adding in it doesn't have an embedded GPS/INU. it still uses an old rickety INU and two magnetic compasses, big dial gauges.

point being the system is broken, but to run around scared and not allowing your wife, family or friends to ride with you is kind of ridiculous. What did you do back in the 80's? walk every where? Not all vehicles have Air Bags.

I have not disputed your claim that it needs to be fixed. obviously it does. And having one side of the story doesn't really help me take sides on GM or yours. For all I know you won't allow them to have the car for a couple days. or They are being complete dicks about it at those dealerships you've taken it to. I don't know. We only have your side of the story. I'm sorry you feel GM is doing you wrong. and I have a feeling you won't be a repeat customer for a while. like I said before. if they won't fix it. lemon law it. that simple. you've been to the dealer more than 4 times in the last 12 months for the same issue. The law applies. either that or find a GM tech that will fix it right. it's one of the two. If you keep the car knowing this problem exists then it's your own fault.

I hardly ever go out side of one section on this site, and finally after getting the vert I start looking in here. I start seeing complaint after complaint about stuff. Some of it legit. some of it seems pretty blown out of proportion. and your reaction to not allowing anyone to ride with you is blown out of proportion, IMHO.

Society today runs around scared. sometimes I think all this safety equipment gets us hurt worse. oh I've got air bags and seat belts so I can drive like an idiot.

[Blitz]

Originally Posted by ambientweather

I heard there is a new tsb?

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213980