Black ICE vs MACE 25mm

[its a syn]

Tracy, you sir are a class act! This makes this decision even harder to make. I have an 1/8 mile track just down the road from me so I am going to side with the torque numbers. That being said, I haven't shot the money to Mace yet and could be back on the black side when I make up my mind tonite

[Preditorian]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

I will tell you now...there was no way for me to run vararam the way it come with 25mm insulator. I had to modify the rear neck to an angle to make it work for the front gap to have enough room for air. I actually made the gap bigger too. It scared me a little since I didn't know if the angle was going to mess up the original airflow characteristic, but everything look good, from my fuel trims to ignition timing, perfect!

I can put up some pics or I can even meet up with you one day.. just let me know.

Please post screens with an explanation to changes via pictures so us simple folk can do the same.

I should have my VR tonight and am looking forward to the 25mm and VR. Thanks.

[hapisok]

this is what the forum is all about. i have a lot of respect for both tracy and steve and appreciate their hard work, tireless effort and dedication to responding to 1,000,001 PM's a day. without guys like them, we would still be talking about who has the best sounding exhaust or which CAI is numero uno. and thanks to the rest of the forum...yes, you! who make coming here and sharing ideas and good times part of my everyday routine. its like fat kids and cake, whitney houston and crack, macon and bacon...mmmm bacon.

thanks again to everyone

[its a syn]

[KMPrenger]

Well at least now I can come out and say that I knew that at least one of you MACE folk were also doing testing for the RX units lol.

This is a great thread and pretty much confirms what I thought. I will say that I was thinking that the MACE might be the superior product because of its runner length, and it appears that it does pull a bit better down low, but good to see they both perform well in the upper ranges.

I would have had the MACE product, but the RX works perfectly with the VR and I was a bit scared to modify the VR intake. Still very happy with the black ice-olator.

Jay maybe you can shoot me a picture or two sometime of your modification to the VR tube...I'd like to see that lol.

[bmorecam]

Keith, predotarian, chad.. I got you

again, nice job aaron. This is what is all about. There's nothing better than a non biased straight up result. Both product get from me. for $150, this is what you call bang for the buck!

[aron77]

Well I was hoping you were going to say the black ice was hands down the better product cuz I just bought one and am waiting for it to arrive lol. I'm sure I'll love the ice but the mace is going to be the one that got away and I'll always wonder if I would have liked it better eventho they both sound good. Why do we have to make choices??? You always wonder what was behind door number two lol.

[Kmorpheus]

I feel the Black Ice-Olator is the perfect fit for me, Really only drive my car on hot sunny days and the heat is a power killer.

[pistolgripcopo1]

Good job

[Blade]

This is probably the best comparison test I have read since Janetty did the CAI tests early last year. This is how it should be done, thanks Hapi for taking the time and stepping up.

I have the Mace and pretty damn happy with it I chose it after reading about runner length differences and deciding that I want more torque that horses, I have plenty of horses already

[Mike Norris]

Interesting test for sure. I would guess the mid-range gains are from the longer runner length. Plus it seems you have some quite extensive mods compared to what most folks are going to do to their cars.

What I would like to do is a test that more fits 90% of our customers from what I have seen. By that I mean is completely stock or minimal mods (VMax TB & CAI, No Tune, No Headers). This would be comparable to the testing I did for VMax and I think relate to a large portion of the buying market looking at these pieces.

Since Tracy was nice enough to send an ICE-olator out for free to test, maybe MACE would not mind sending one of the 25mm units out to me to test on a CAI/TB only car

If not, are there any US dealers for the MACE 25mm spacer kit? I would like to buy local (US) if at all possible.

Thanks!!

Mike Norris

[Blade]

Originally Posted by Mike Norris

Interesting test for sure. I would guess the mid-range gains are from the longer runner length. Plus it seems you have some quite extensive mods compared to what most folks are going to do to their cars.

What I would like to do is a test that more fits 90% of our customers from what I have seen. By that I mean is completely stock or minimal mods (VMax TB & CAI, No Tune, No Headers). This would be comparable to the testing I did for VMax and I think relate to a large portion of the buying market looking at these pieces.

Since Tracy was nice enough to send an ICE-olator out for free to test, maybe MACE would not mind sending one of the 25mm units out to me to test on a CAI/TB only car

If not, are there any US dealers for the MACE 25mm spacer kit? I would like to buy local (US) if at all possible.

Thanks!!

Mike Norris

I am sure if you PM Steve at Mace, he can provide one for you, or you can buy one off of him. He's been offering $150, ships to you within 10 days. I can attest to that

[bmorecam]

I don't think it would matter weather the car is modded or not. If the test was done between two completely different modded cars than that would be inaccurate, but this test was done very fairly, non biased, on the same car, just two different spacers. To me the test clearly show that the ice win up top and mace win at the bottom which in theory it make perfect sense. Both winners in my book and I don't see the need for this to be dragged any longer.

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[hapisok]

Originally Posted by bmorecam

I don't think it would matter weather the car is modded or not. If the test was done between two completely different modded cars than that would be inaccurate, but this test was done very fairly, non biased, on the same car, just two different spacers. To me the test clearly show that the ice win up top and mace win at the bottom which in theory it make perfect sense. Both winners in my book and I don't see the need for this to be dragged any longer.

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+1...agree.

but hey, anybody that wants to continue comparison testing...go for it . the more data the better right? i wonder how drastic, if at all, the variation will be on a practically bone stock motor...

obviously heat soak of the air intake is an enemy to these motors. i think if they were the same thickness, then the results would have been nearly identical. but runner length has been proven over and over to change the dynamics of TQ/HP. increased runner length and isolation of the IM from engine heat is what creates the difference between these two...modded, heavily modded, or bone stock. and that is why i don't feel that the results will differ much in comparison. but then again, i've been wrong before. just my .02

Black Ice = higher HP up top

Mace = higher TQ low-mid range