OK, I cant keep quiet anymore...why so much hatred for rotaries?

[MKG]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

Your other options are something like the Flex (expensive and you don't need it), or a rotary (don't even think about it).

All right. Im not here to get into a pissing match but I cant keep my mouth shut anymore. I just have one question, Im not blasting/flaming anyone, but why is everyone here absolutely against rotaries? I understand not having a new guy go attack his car with a rotary. But as for using a rotary to remove deep swirls/RIDS/holograms quickly is an easy process if you're using the right polish/pads. I use a rotary and a pc daily. My pc handles why sealant/wax and sometimes finishing polishing (since some cars have extremely soft paint and using a rotary is out of the question) but I use a rotary 95+% of the time to remove scratches/swirls.

Once again not trying to come off as a dick or flame someone, but to have 20+hrs in a single panel seems a bit ridiculous. I know being new to the game it takes time to learn and figure stuff out (im still learning everyday!) I probably should just make my own thread instead of filling up OP's thread with this stuff. If thats the case I will make my own thread. I really just want to hear why you guys are against rotaries so much. I can post a ton of pics showing how my rotary/pads/polish take care of horrible cars. I dont leave holograms.

















I have many more examples of how my rotary doesnt cause holograms/****s up paint etc.. I just dont understand why there's so much HATE for anyone using a rotary. I realize how everyone is different, and people prefer different things.

Michael

[PQ]

So would you suggest that I go out and get a rotary?

[CamaroDreams07]

I don't think anybody has hatred for rotaries. In the quote you pulled from me, I was talking to a person who had just gotten through his first ever machine polishing. Odds are a rotary in his hands would leave him with burned clear, holograms, etc.

Rotaries are absolutely necessary in certain situations. I think you took what I said out of context, actually I'm sure of it. In properly trained hands, there's nothing wrong with using one at all. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they hate rotaries on here come to think of it... We simply try to advise against them because 99% of people here don't need them so why introduce that unnecessary risk element?

[Iomcamaro]

You answered your own question. Most of the people here are new to detailing therefore we suggest against rotaries. I'm learning to use a rotary. I'm starting my own detailing business is summer and want to be able to get cars done, but I won't practice on my camaro. Also Camaros are so new, the chances of needing a rotary are slim to none. Most all of the people will need is a light compound on a DA.

[ibeck]

For a second I thought you were talking about rotary engines and was thinkg "why are we talking about rotaries on C5, especially in the detailing area". As for what you're actually talking about, I hand polish and wax so I can't help you at all.

[CamaroDreams07]

I also just noticed you joined in March of 2012 and have a grand total of 10 posts, so I'm not sure how much you really could've observed to make that kind of statement, unless you've spent the entire past month doing nothing but reading through old threads on C5.

[MKG]

This black vette had an original lacquer paint job. Well It wasnt the original job, it was repainted late 70's, but it was still single stage and SOFT.







Sorry for all the pics, Im not promoting my business, so dont get bent out of shape!

Im just showing examples how a rotary dominates in my line of work. I'll be the first to admit when I started ten yrs ago, I first worked with a rotary from harbor freight. It had two speeds, low and high! All I used then was a wool pad and some hard cut 3m compound. Granted I screwed some stuff up but I learned how to work it. I come from a paint/body back ground so understanding paint and how it works really helps. Trust me I probably work paint a lot hotter than most detailers, but I understand the properties of all types of paint and know how far I can push it before it burns. Here locally I teach people how to properly use pads/polish on a rotary because once you figure it out its a piece of cake.

If anyone here has questions about how to work with a rotary post up or send me a message Im more than happy to answer any questions anyone may have. Once again Im not here to start any arguements or step on any toes, just to enlighten and broaden people's horizons .

To the other detailers on this site--you guys do great work and im not discounting anything you do If any of you want to talk more about this on a private plat form that works for me. Id love to learn more from you guys on how to use my PC better. The more information I can learn the better it makes me as a person and a detailer.

Hopefully no one gets to upset over this, Im here to learn and help where I can

Thanks guys!

Michael Glissman

[PQ]

Any comments on here about Rotaries are the fault of guys who used them expecting ace results but were new to them and messed something up. I'm with these guys, only comments about rotaries I've heard on here were just to warn someone who's never used one the risks they are taking and to make sure they practice on somethng non important first.

[FL1CK]

Originally Posted by PQ

Any comments on here about Rotaries are the fault of guys who used them expecting ace results but were new to them and messed something up. I'm with these guys, only comments about rotaries I've heard on here were just to warn someone who's never used one the risks they are taking and to make sure they practice on somethng non important first.

OP, you answered your own question in each post. If you're begining, you're most likely not going to get the results you want if you start with a rotary polisher as you would with an orbital. It's like riding a bike really... you should start with training wheels before trying without them.

My only issue with detailers on here are no one is close to me to work on my car!!!

[Adam's Polishes]

Theres no 'hate' for rotaries here, but when dealing with beginners and people who don't detail professionally (90% of the people here fall into these categories) it would be irresponsible to suggest they pick up a tool with a far smaller margin for error and a much steeper learning curve. The worst that happens with a DA or RO polisher in the hands of a rookie is less than perfect results, on the flip side give them a rotary and the likelihood of showing up primer on an edge, holograming the snot out of the car, etc.

Not to mention that a rotary isn't a need in many cases... I've been at this for 14 (almost 15 years now) the rotary comes out when its needed. If a car can be corrected using a DA or RO polisher why bother pulling out the rotary at all? No doubt some cars REQUIRE something more aggressive to make any meaningful correction, but there are very few cars I've seen on here that are trashed enough to need it.

As I like to say "you don't need a bazooka to swat flies".

In some cases I'll even whip out the PE14-2 to do spot correction of deeper issues, but the overall car will still be finished off with the 3401 or PC... case in point: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198566

[Iomcamaro]

Originally Posted by FL1CK

OP, you answered your own question in each post. If you're begining, you're most likely not going to get the results you want if you start with a rotary polisher as you would with an orbital. It's like riding a bike really... you should start with training wheels before trying without them.

My only issue with detailers on here are no one is close to me to work on my car!!!

How close are you to DC? I'll be in DC in May for a detailing gig. unless something comes up.

[MKG]

Originally Posted by CamaroDreams07

I don't think anybody has hatred for rotaries. In the quote you pulled from me, I was talking to a person who had just gotten through his first ever machine polishing. Odds are a rotary in his hands would leave him with burned clear, holograms, etc.

Rotaries are absolutely necessary in certain situations. I think you took what I said out of context, actually I'm sure of it. In properly trained hands, there's nothing wrong with using one at all. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say they hate rotaries on here come to think of it... We simply try to advise against them because 99% of people here don't need them so why introduce that unnecessary risk element?

I took yours out of context, it was just another post I saw going against rotary. I just used it as an example, no worries . Hate was probably the wrong word to use, maybe dislike is better?

I've been a lurker for about 6 months and just recently signed up for a for reasons. Mostly because I like adding comments in this section, Im looking for parts for my camaro, I have clients that are trying to sell their camaro's, I like to help out fellow enthusiasts and I thought about becoming a regional sponsor.

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by MKG

I took yours out of context, it was just another post I saw going against rotary. I just used it as an example, no worries . Hate was probably the wrong word to use, maybe dislike is better?

I've been a lurker for about 6 months and just recently signed up for a for reasons. Mostly because I like adding comments in this section, Im looking for parts for my camaro, I have clients that are trying to sell their camaro's, I like to help out fellow enthusiasts and I thought about becoming a regional sponsor.

Nice work on that Vette and Ferrari too.

[MKG]

Originally Posted by Dylan@Adams

Theres no 'hate' for rotaries here, but when dealing with beginners and people who don't detail professionally (90% of the people here fall into these categories) it would be irresponsible to suggest they pick up a tool with a far smaller margin for error and a much steeper learning curve. The worst that happens with a DA or RO polisher in the hands of a rookie is less than perfect results, on the flip side give them a rotary and the likelihood of showing up primer on an edge, holograming the snot out of the car, etc.

Not to mention that a rotary isn't a need in many cases... I've been at this for 14 (almost 15 years now) the rotary comes out when its needed. If a car can be corrected using a DA or RO polisher why bother pulling out the rotary at all? No doubt some cars REQUIRE something more aggressive to make any meaningful correction, but there are very few cars I've seen on here that are trashed enough to need it.

As I like to say "you don't need a bazooka to swat flies".

In some cases I'll even whip out the PE14-2 to do spot correction of deeper issues, but the overall car will still be finished off with the 3401 or PC... case in point: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198566

Do you have any before pics of that car? When i think PC i think slow or applying wax/sealant like I said above. The pics of the vette/Monte Carlo convertible I posted if one was to attack that with a PC you would be there for hours on end trying to get the swirls/oxidation out :(. When someone charges between $60-75 an hour, most people I know wouldnt want to pay those rates for 40hrs of work. A few clients do when doing a concourse pkg, but those arent daily cars, theyre 200g+ collectibles.

I use my pc for doing head light restorations or I use my small 3/4" pads via Makita rotary if they are really bad.

To each their own though. Its nice to hear different opinions on things though.