First ZL1 to Run 10's in Quarter Mile - 10.794 @ 134.36 mph

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

It's not LPE im dissapointed in, it's the car itself. That's a pretty extensive mod list and a whole lot of money to break into the 10's.

Even more dissapointing considering the 13 Shelby will more than likely break into the 10's with probably just a tire swap and a good driver...
Maybe throw a tune or pulley into the mix, but surely it won't take nowhere near the mods or money to get to where the Z is right now.

Plus the race gas goes to show you that they obvioulsy feel the motor will not handle those mod's on pump gas. It's a ticking time bomb where it is right now...

Once people learn this car. the times will go down. when the shelby comes out I will guarantee you will see times that are poor also. jumping that much in hp will cause people to have to relearn the car. hell did they change any gearing also? Sorry I'm not saying the 13 gt500 won't be faster. what I'm saying is you're putting to much stock into early runs for the zl1.

The tune they used was a race gas tune. even on their red car they have a race gas tune and a pump gas tune. so saying that obviously they feel. . . is probably wrong.

We've got way too many people judging this car off of too few passes, and then keyboard racing. Sorry we don't have any definitive times one the 2013 gt500. we have press releases. which you all want to bitch about GM's claim on the ZL1, and take fords as fact? Sorry that's just BS. Why don't you all wait until the 13 gt500 is released and these actually line up next to each other?

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by tooslow

Substantially lower on both counts.

nowairly

[BowtieBelle]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Heads/cam/tune/pullies/ported TB/ported SC/intake/race gas/DR's/skinnies/850+hp, to break into 10's...

Sorry guys, but im not all that impressed...

but once people learn the car, those times will go down, I'm sure of it. That seems like a LOT of mods to get into 10's to me. These cars need to be broken in before they'll really shine, I think!

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

850+/-

got a 12% drivetrain loss on previous manuals so 808.64 is what I got.

[Unobtainium]

I think most in both camps are just a bit underwhelmed. I'm sure the GT500 will be slow at first, but it seems like they went to great lengths to try and make it easier to launch and drive. Much the same gearing as the ZR1 really, with much the same power, and a bit of extra weight.
The tires are not near as good, despite the Ford guy saying they are just as good as slicks.
No shift for 60 takes quite a bit of driver skill variance out of the equation, as does the 1/4 in 3rd.
With the GT500 back on the ring, hopefully GM sees the light.

[FAST ZL1]

I have to agree that people are not giving the ZL1 enough time. These engines are not even broke in yet. The other problem I see is that the GT500 2013 model isn't even out yet. Who knows how it will actually do. I also question how great of a run they could have this early in the year. These runs where in Muncie? I assume they are talking Indiana and the weather up here is still not the greatest yet. Wait until we start getting some warmer days so the track warms up during the day and then the cool evening air comes in. From whaat I saw in the video they are hooking up too early so the R's are dropping. They need a little more slippage to keep the R's up or they need a lower gear in the rear. People need to remember that this car has a top end of 180mph. My opinion is that if this car was only for the strip the rear end gears need to be changed but then it isn't only for the strip is it?

[94turbolsx]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Heads/cam/tune/pullies/ported TB/ported SC/intake/race gas/DR's/skinnies/850+hp, to break into 10's...

Sorry guys, but im not all that impressed...

Unfortunately I agree. I realize how heavy these cars are, but damn, as soon as read heads, cam, race gas, I lost a little interest. Maybe I'm still too spoiled from the LS1 era 4th gen days.

As mentioned earlier, the MPH is there for a much better ET. 134 mph in 4100 lb+ car is pretty damned impressive. With that said, good luck to the LPE crew. Im sure better ET's will come in the state both cars are in right now.

[Whos_Drivin]

I think the mods list is the same as the 12.5 times. There is more than one way to get to the 10's. As time goes one, hopefully we'll see others with fewer/different mods breaking into the 10's.

[Houston94vert]

Just curious what a new SS camaro runs with the same mods? Heads, cam, exhaust, with no supercharger?? Should be around the same 1/4 mile times, right?

I don't believe the experience or more time needed excuse, most of these companies have worked on the Caddy with the same motor.

Seriously dissappointed in the ZL1's over all performance, and modifications to make it go fast.

I'm seriously glad I didn't wait to get one, felt like I dodged a 60k bullet to the head.

[mcdoogle6969]

The ZL1's aren't impressing me so far, sorry guys.

[mcdoogle6969]

Originally Posted by Houston94vert

Just curious what a new SS camaro runs with the same mods? Heads, cam, exhaust, with no supercharger?? Should be around the same 1/4 mile times, right?

I don't believe the experience or more time needed excuse, most of these companies have worked on the Caddy with the same motor.

Seriously dissappointed in the ZL1's over all performance, and modifications to make it go fast.

I'm seriously glad I didn't wait to get one, felt like I dodged a 60k bullet to the head.

There's been a few SS's with FI without the cam/heads breaking the same times.

[f5journal]

Originally Posted by Houston94vert

Just curious what a new SS camaro runs with the same mods? Heads, cam, exhaust, with no supercharger?? Should be around the same 1/4 mile times, right?

I don't believe the experience or more time needed excuse, most of these companies have worked on the Caddy with the same motor.

Seriously dissappointed in the ZL1's over all performance, and modifications to make it go fast.

I'm seriously glad I didn't wait to get one, felt like I dodged a 60k bullet to the head.

Some info gleaned from the fast lists


Normally aspirated LS3/L99 Camaro Fast List

bolt-ons plus heads and/or cam, Stock Displacement

1. jhormilla - 10.837 @ 128.48 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, PTB, UDP, Gears, 17" DRs), (LS3, M6)
2. Jon@Texas-Speed - 11.174 @ 121.42 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, Converter, Tune, 17'' wheels, Slicks, (L99, A6)
3. CosmicBrut - 11.366 @ 121.64 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, Ported TB & Intake, Converter, Tune, DRs), (L99, A6)
4. OrangeChevy - 11.37 @ 121.55 mph (Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, Skinny's, DRs), (LS3, M6)
5. Scottywheels - 11.390 @ 117.78 mph, (Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Tune, DRs), (L99, A6)


Normally aspirated LS3/L99 Camaro Fast List - bolt-ons only, no cams/head mods

1. 02pewtersix - 11.600 @ 119.17 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, PTB, UDP, Tune, Skinnies,
17" DRs), (LS3, M6)
2. Walkermuffler - 11.71 @ 114.07 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' wheels, Skinnies, DRs, (LS3, M6)
3. Number_9 - 11.78 @ 117.49 mph, (LT, CAI, Exhaust, T-stat, Gears, DRs), (L99, A6)


Some select time from Power adders that appear to be stock LS3/L99 displacement

17. 94guy - 10.530 @ 131.52 mph, (Supercharger/Whipple, Cam, LT, Converter, DRs), (A6)
18. MattTuneTime - 10.58 @ 134.87 mph, (Supercharger/Procharger, Heads/Cam, LT, Exhaust, DRs), (L99, A6)
19. HufferSS - 10.58 @ 133.49 mph, (Supercharger/Whipple, Cam, LT, Slicks), (LS3, M6), (Corrected, DA +)
20. Camarovigoa - 10.626 @ 131.22 mph, (Supercharger/Whipple, LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, 17" Hoosiers), (L99, A6)

[goodtime]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Heads/cam/tune/pullies/ported TB/ported SC/intake/race gas/DR's/skinnies/850+hp, to break into 10's...

Sorry guys, but im not all that impressed...

Totally agree and I don't buy into the break-in talk. Hell, I am knocking on 10's with my N/A 2012 GT, still on the stock long block, and 1,300 miles on the OD in crappy air.

The new GT500 will solidly be in the 11's on street tires, knocking on 10's with big and littles if not there. Pulley and a tune ($700 worth of power upgrades) and I believe 10.7's or better will be very achievable.

Still waiting to see a ZL1 at the track. Closest thing I have seen is CTS-V coupes running 13's.

[GearBangr]

11.00 and 130 mph is damned good considering it was just a tune, 13psi cai.
But it sounds like all you guys that live your life a quarter mile at a time are dissapointed though. If that's what your after theyrs prolly better cars out there though. But just keep in mind the drivetrain is very solid. An SS won't last long with the same abuse though.
Personally Im more interested in racing this car on a roadcourse, that I'm positive it will do very very well. The ring and vir times speak for themselves.