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2cnd chance · 05-02-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nanokpsi

I am going to go ahead and guess that you have never driver a fast car. If you think 20mm on tread width is going to completely transofrm the same tire, you are incredibly naive.

I am guessing Ford did not accept the challenge becasue they did not have an apples to apples comparison of their own (closd track). Any smart attorney knows that you shouldn't ask a question unless you alrady know what the answer will be.
Also, it seems like a collosal waiste of money as people will buy the car they are loyal to regardless of the outcome. How many bandwagoners, from either camp, are going to honestly buy the other car based on a head to head ring time? My guess woiuld be a VERY small percentage, and of those hard core track guys, I am sure they KNOW they would be better off in something like a Boss 302S or used porsche CUP car, ie a dedicated road race car.

As was mantioned by another poster, either one of these cars will put a big smile on your face and will put a hurting on most things they come across on the street (especially when modded). Randomly seeing the other car in traffic will be a rare occurance, so you won't have to worry too much about who will have the bigger smile when it does happen.

It was for engineering and development. And why not add a little marketing as well! Not a Waste!

gm_joe · 05-02-2012, 03:45 PM

I will race any car any time. If I loose, OH WELL, but what a ride.

lexlueger · 05-02-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tooslow

They hang out at the same places the blazing fast ZL1's do. You have to be a member of the club to get an invitation.

Invitation?! I don't need no stinking invitation!

Paco · 05-02-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vette TPI

The old supersnake ran this in the 1/4. Most of you will say this WON'T matter, but until you find a equal or better comparison. This is what it is.

P.S. old supersnake had 630ish to wheels.

Does it matter when they challenged them?! Ford could have still took the bait and set a time to race the ZL1. It's not dumb to say Ford ran away, it's chicken of them imo.

You realize that there is a night/day difference between this SS and the 13' GT500 right? Almost every DT system including launch control, TC and suspension has been upgraded to put the power down. This video is an example of why FORD did not put 662 hp in the new 500 and call it a day..

Enjoy believing that this 1/4 time is a reflection of what the 13' GT500 will run

8cd03gro · 05-02-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Camarowguy

Your right. I guess the track timing system was skewed too when they ran it huh? Lol

When they ran what? Unless they trapped in the mid 120s the car is rated accurately. So did they trap in the mid 120s bone stock? That's what would happen if the car was making 50hp more than it was rated for. You tell me. The car is not underrated by 50hp, period.

8cd03gro · 05-02-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by collins motorsport

And that's what's wrong with todays society no one is willing to do anything unless there is a guaranteed way for them to benefit. I don't see how you say that losing would have such a huge negative impact for ford but winning would benefit them in no way, how is that? Would the people that would actually be swayed not to buy the ford by such an event more than likely be on the line about it already and be equally moved to buy it if it won?

You obviously didn't read my post carefully because I didn't say Ford would not benefit from winning head to head. HOWEVER, they would benefit no more from winning the head to head than they would from just posting a faster official lap time.

The benefit Ford would see from winning in a head to head comparison on the 'ring is the same benefit they would see by posting a faster official lap time than zl1. By not accepting the challenge they control whether or not the gt500 actually posts an official time. If it posts a faster time, they advertise that and gain. If it posts a slower time, they never reveal the time and see no negative impact from it. If they were to go head to head, if the gt500 posted a faster lap time it would benefit them no more than a faster official lap time, but losing in head to head would be far more negative than just never posting an official lap time because they couldn't beat it. There is NO benefit to Ford accepting the challenge because they only add risk while seeing no increase in potential reward.

BigHemiSrt · 05-02-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by collins motorsport

Not to come after you but I keep seeing people say this and I feel like it should be an obvious statement in any race between any two cars esp a drag race. I mean if you line a lambo and a prius up then red-light the lambo, the prius wins.

Lol i totally agree but you kno what ppl mean when they say a drivers race!!

A civic can line up with a C6Z and if the Z starts in 5th gear that civic would walk the dog on that ass. Lol

htron50 · 05-02-2012, 07:17 PM

How much H2O is wasted discussing hypotheticals is beyond me!

BigHemiSrt · 05-02-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

So if the ZL1 automatic beats either a 12/13 Gt500 it's not a fair race because the 500 doesn't have an automatic as well

. Your car is what it can run in the 1/8 or 1/4 mile with you driving, it's not what a professional driver on a prep track and perfect conditions ran once. If any of you have gone to the drag strip lately you know that these stock cars for the most part do not run anywhere near what we read about in these forums.

Im not saying that at all. I was just saying when determining which car is indeed the "faster" car overall i would like to see all things being as close to equal as possible. Ya kno apples to apples. So if they were gonna put a A6 against a M6 they shoulda made sure that had a guy that could shift the car well enough to show its full potential. Ideally they should have put a M6 vs M6 with the SAME driver.

Facts are facts tho. In THAT race the V was the quicker car, but in THAT race the Shelby was indeed the faster car.

2cnd chance · 05-02-2012, 07:38 PM

Unbelievable...let it go.

See post #67

Bob Cosby · 05-02-2012, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htron50

How much H2O is wasted discussing hypotheticals is beyond me!

How much water is wasted?

htron50 · 05-02-2012, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

How much water is wasted?

It's a pissing contest! LOL.... (I actually meant Oxygen "O")... my mind is slipping!

tnspd · 05-02-2012, 08:00 PM

How much time is wasted reading this thread. LOL

Bob Cosby · 05-02-2012, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htron50

It's a pissing contest! LOL.... (I actually meant Oxygen "O")... my mind is slipping!

LOL. Ok.

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05-02-2012, 07:38 PM	#80
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Unbelievable...let it go. See post #67