challenger 475 hp stock??

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Equal driver skills, a new Chally SRT8 will smoke both a 5.0 and SS...in a straight line that is.

it will beat it but i wouldnt say "smoke". They average maybe 2mph faster trap speeds than the 5.0. But i do agree that with equal drivers that comes out to a win for the chally.

[WE485]

Originally Posted by Wizard1183

GM has to put more HP in the motor to compete or beat. Isnt the mustang 440HP?

GM will not to do anything as long as long as they are selling more cars.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by Minkman555

Uhm ,

Pretty much all 392's can hit 12.5 with a regular driver and 12.1 with a skilled shifter.

The SS will loose to the 392 every time with equal drivers. I know someone posted a 12.5 stock SS time but most stock SS'es with good drivers are in 13.0-13.3 range -- not constant 12.5's

Ok, I'm going by this: http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...-sticky-63213/ and this: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52264

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SS 376

Not really. The 392 will do about a 12.4-12.8, about same as the SS stock and the 5.0. Remember, the 392 weighs about 4200 lbs which offsets its HP advantage. Moving to a 392 made the Challenger competitive performance-wise with the SS/5.0 but not really faster than either. It's just too bad the 392 is a $50,000 car OTD.

Lets think about that $50,000.00 price tag. If you shop as I have with options such as nav/sound/auto/wheels/and powered sunroof they can be had for $47,500.00. Now compare this to a fully loaded 2SS which still doesn't have the navigation and much less hp and tq is what $42,000.00 out the door? With the SRT you are getting a limited edition top of the line vehicle for not that more in price.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Now compare this to a fully loaded 2SS which still doesn't have the navigation and much less hp and tq is what $42,000.00 out the door?

Where did you come up with this?

I bought my auto 2SS/RS with every option except sunroof and paid $38k out the door. When I bought it there wasn't any incentives so I paid MSRP.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Lets think about that $50,000.00 price tag. If you shop as I have with options such as nav/sound/auto/wheels/and powered sunroof they can be had for $47,500.00.

Right, but then add sales tax and GG tax... Dont get me wrong--I like the 392 a lot, I just think it's quite a bit more expensive, and only a troll would say it somehow demolishes both the SS and 5.0.

[cab2g]

it's a nice looking car, but for the price, I'd rather mod my Camaro to be 500+HP at the crank and save the extra $$ for when I blow my motor or transmission The Challenger also has an encrypted ECU, so no performance mods for you!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by cab2g

it's a nice looking car, but for the price, I'd rather mod my Camaro to be 500+HP at the crank and save the extra $$ for when I blow my motor or transmission The Challenger also has an encrypted ECU, so no performance mods for you!

You are right 500 crank hp in the SS will cost you approx 7k in mods, delete your warranty and run high 11s to low 12s on average in the quarter. The auto equipped 392 stock will run the same numbers with only drag radials and keep it's entire powertrain warranty.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You are right 500 crank hp in the SS will cost you approx 7k in mods, delete your warranty and run high 11s to low 12s on average in the quarter. The auto equipped 392 will run the same numbers with only drag radials and keep it's entire powertrain warranty.

Yep, not to mention just the SRT STANDARD equipment that isn't available on a Camaro at any price. IE: Special SRT only seats, flat bottom/heated steering wheel, touch screen head unit with 30 or 40 gigs of storage, push button start, lightweight Alcoa rims, 3 mode (was 2 mode, mid year running change) Bilstien electronic suspension, 44-70 more HP, autos have actual shift paddles, the stripe package is standard and not optional, HID headlights ae standard, the hood scoops are functional, offers nav and harmon kardon (whatever it is called, same as lexus uses) audio sysem, the thing starts at 45k MSRP, but it seems a lot of people are getting them around 40k (both prices INCLUDING GG tax), 50k is for a fully loaded model, but again, you are getting a hell of a lot more than a loaded SS. The SRT slots between the SS/GT and ZL1/GT500 in both performance and price, seems totally a fair price to me once you look at all the facts.

[Rock36]

Originally Posted by Stew

Yep, not to mention just the SRT STANDARD equipment that isn't available on a Camaro at any price. IE: Special SRT only seats, flat bottom/heated steering wheel, touch screen head unit with 30 or 40 gigs of storage, push button start, lightweight Alcoa rims, 3 mode (was 2 mode, mid year running change) Bilstien electronic suspension, 44-70 more HP, autos have actual shift paddles, the stripe package is standard and not optional, HID headlights ae standard, the hood scoops are functional, offers nav and harmon kardon (whatever it is called, same as lexus uses) audio sysem, the thing starts at 45k MSRP, but it seems a lot of people are getting them around 40k (both prices INCLUDING GG tax), 50k is for a fully loaded model, but again, you are getting a hell of a lot more than a loaded SS. The SRT slots between the SS/GT and ZL1/GT500 in both performance and price, seems totally a fair price to me once you look at all the facts.

I think people miss that last part a lot. Car models dont always line up as nicely as we wold like sometimes.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Stew

Yep, not to mention just the SRT STANDARD equipment that isn't available on a Camaro at any price. IE: Special SRT only seats, flat bottom/heated steering wheel, touch screen head unit with 30 or 40 gigs of storage, push button start, lightweight Alcoa rims, 3 mode (was 2 mode, mid year running change) Bilstien electronic suspension, 44-70 more HP, autos have actual shift paddles, the stripe package is standard and not optional, HID headlights ae standard, the hood scoops are functional, offers nav and harmon kardon (whatever it is called, same as lexus uses) audio sysem, the thing starts at 45k MSRP, but it seems a lot of people are getting them around 40k (both prices INCLUDING GG tax), 50k is for a fully loaded model, but again, you are getting a hell of a lot more than a loaded SS. The SRT slots between the SS/GT and ZL1/GT500 in both performance and price, seems totally a fair price to me once you look at all the facts.

Didnt you know, standard (loaded) features are an awesome thing if youre talking about the ZL1. But if youre talking about the SRT8, standard (loaded) features are detrimental and not worth it. Same with the GT500 vs ZL1. Its somehow stupid that they (GT500) dont come with everything imagineable stock, but have options, but its a great thing when talking about the SS vs. SRT8

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

Didnt you know, standard (loaded) features are an awesome thing if youre talking about the ZL1. But if youre talking about the SRT8, standard (loaded) features are detrimental and not worth it. Same with the GT500 vs ZL1. Its somehow stupid that they (GT500) dont come with everything imagineable stock, but have options, but its a great thing when talking about the SS vs. SRT8

I'm not sure I follow your logic. The worth of any particular option is highly subjective. Also, I'm confused by you seemingly saying standard is the same as loaded.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Blue Menace

I'm not sure I follow your logic. The worth of any particular option is highly subjective. Also, I'm confused by you seemingly saying standard is the same as loaded.

its easy to confuse the simple minded. I just meant that the ZL1 comes with things people might not want standard whereas with the GT500 it is an option (track pack). People here love that the ZL1 is available as such without the option of not having things like a couple of coolers. The SRT8 on the other hand gets trashed on these boards for having things standard that are not available on the SS and making people pay for it (just like the ZL1). I hope i made myself clear. If not, it wont bother me none.

[y2k king]

srt would've been my second choice.