Chevrolet: Stock 2012 ZL1 Runs 11.93 Quarter Mile (Video)

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

And therein lies the "problem"...which I raised weeks ago...

SuperDuper Speed Shop/Tuner Emporium has ZERO interest in getting the minimum-possible Showroom Stock times (or a maximized dyno pull) out of ANYTHING! PERIOD!

Why?

Because it would minimize THEIR contribution to the overall performances possible for that vehicle/combination.

This can't be overstated. It's not that the after market shops are trying to run bad stock times. It's that they have no incentive to try and run the best possible stock time that it is possible to achieve.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

I don't consider Al Oppenheiser, an engineer, "top brass" either. I consider a President or, at least, a Vice-President, "top brass." Therefore, I don't consider the statement, "GM's top brass started thumping his chest saying how much faster the ZL1 was than the GT 500" to be accurate, if the individual who made the statement was referring to Al Openheiser.

We agree, but I'm pretty sure the poster was referencing Big Al when has erroneously stated "top brass".

[1ltcap]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Please cite the official reference where "GM's top brass" stated that the ZL1 was faster than the 2013 GT500 in the quarter mile.

there's quite a few.......

here's a quickie for ya, from gm's liar in chief.....

Not so fast, says Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser (above). Speaking with Autoblog at an Arizona drive event for the Camaro ZL1, Oppenheiser told us, "We've done simulations. We predict that the ZL1 will be quicker to 60 than the [2013] GT500... We ran the Nürburgring and released a time. Ford took the GT500, too, and never released a time. I guess you can draw your own conclusions."

When asked point-blank if he thought the ZL1 would be quicker around the 'Ring, Oppenheiser replied, "No question."

[1ltcap]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...and, SO FAR, Brand F hasn't proved him WRONG...have they?

so what's gonna be the excuse when the shelby runs a quicker 1/4, quicker nurburgring lap, faster top end, and better lap times at tracks here in the usa? will we shift it to the "gt500 vs zr1" argument again? or will we use the "well if the camaro weighed 250 pounds less" argument.


two great cars, two different approaches. if you can't accept the fact that ford's puttnig out a great product, then you're either really young, and don't know any better, or you just don't wanna see it.

engines do not know what name is stamped on the valve cover.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by 1ltcap

there's quite a few.......

here's a quickie for ya, from gm's liar in chief.....

Not so fast, says Camaro Chief Engineer Al Oppenheiser (above).

As stated above, Al Oppenheiser is not "top brass."

[Blownhotrodder]

Give me a break guy, he doesnt sweep the floors ok. Hes high enough on the chain and is a very vocal voice for the gen 5 camaro. Your splitting hairs.

[GoldenBear]

People should be accurate with their statements instead of causally making misstatements and spreading misinformation, or worse yet, disinformation.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by kbar4782

Thanks, of course with most of these mustang guys they will find something negative about every good post about this car even if they see it in person. I kinda get sick of it. They are both great cars and let's give credit where it is due instead of bashing every single video/post that people put on here. There was a guy that ran a 12.04 on stock rubber/manual with a car that had 250 miles on it. Video taped it from inside the car and showed slips. Of course this was smoke and mirrors as well becasue he didn't tape it from the tree and get the time board in the video. Just wears on some us I think. They are both great cars. Just give credit when it is due. JMO

It's incredibly annoying that the default when anyone doesn't praise the zl1 as God's own is, "the mustang guys. . . " I implore all of you to take a few minutes to examine the first couple pages of this thread and find what kind of car is driven by the people questioning the runs.

I still haven't seen anyone say there's no way a zl1 could run these times. I think we all agree it's capable. The problem is, there were two conflicting sources. There was enough confusion that multiple auto news sources had to go back and ask GM to confirm, not just the mustang guys. Is it really that unreasonable to be confused over GM's statement when another, GM specific, source states the runs were on drag radials and the 60' times are incredibly good for stock tires?

Now we know the zl1 ran these times on stock tires They're some great runs and some super impressive driving.

Unfortunately now, other debates are starting over stupid shit as usual. Someone asks if this is faster than the 2012 gt500 and when a credible source is posted it must be BS because other runs were considerably slower. Slower runs with the zl1 are in cars that have, "problems" but only the Ford camp is making excuses. . . right. Do you guys not see how dumb and cyclical these arguments are? If the direction of this thread can be summed up simply, here it is:

[GRAHL]

Originally Posted by 1ltcap

so what's gonna be the excuse when the shelby runs a quicker 1/4, quicker nurburgring lap, faster top end, and better lap times at tracks here in the usa? will we shift it to the "gt500 vs zr1" argument again? or will we use the "well if the camaro weighed 250 pounds less" argument.


two great cars, two different approaches. if you can't accept the fact that ford's puttnig out a great product, then you're either really young, and don't know any better, or you just don't wanna see it.

engines do not know what name is stamped on the valve cover.

Don't let it ruin your day buddy the new ford hasn't beaten the stock ZL1 in anything yet, so settle down. And after it's released then you can join the rest of the real world where people can mod their car if they don't like the performance as is. And you can make a chevy as fast and faster than any ford--that's the truth. But you can never make the mustang as cool and sexy as the Camaro, that's just about a fact too haha.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by Blownhotrodder

Give me a break guy, he doesnt sweep the floors ok. Hes high enough on the chain and is a very vocal voice for the gen 5 camaro. Your splitting hairs.

I dont think its coool to come tup a board just to talk trash or put down any specific car, but theres nothing wrong with having discussions with two different view points as long as facts are used and the discussion stays civil......

Also,i dont see how al o wouldn't be considered top brass, if he isnt, then who is?

[SRT8Tech]

Well I ran my stock 2012 GT500 with 200 miles on it at the track Wednesday on the stock tires. Only thing I did was ice down the blower between runs. Here is a pic of some of the slips................

[Z/28orSs]

reading comprehension wins awards fo this thread
after watching the video how could any of you be confused ....
some of the members need to relax....

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

People should be accurate with their statements instead of causally making misstatements and spreading misinformation, or worse yet, disinformation.

bwaahahahh..... It seems that depends on the subject or the user doing the posting. Dragoneye has already stated:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Let me be the bearer of bad news: were not INTERESTED in having "misinformed" people corrected.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

People should be accurate with their statements instead of causally making misstatements and spreading misinformation, or worse yet, disinformation.

Are you saying they should run simulations before making mistatements and disinformation?!LOL I kid I kid