Someone race 11' 12' gt500 vs zl1 (at strip)

[wyoming zl1]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

To be fair I don't see the GT500er's acting any more/less stupid then the Camaro guys here. Camaro guys have it ingrained in their minds the GT500 can't handle, despite the fact that the 2011/2012 actually handle quite well and GT500 guys have written off the ZL1 as a competitor due to owners inability to replicate GM's results.

This is just another thread on this site that has become a joke because no matter how many times the smart members on this site tell the respective teams knob gobblers to reserve judgement until the facts are truly presented, see the performance figures, they fight back and forth like Neanderthals.

So to recap: No matter what facts are presented each team will write the opposite teams car off no matter what happens. Even if either car was miraculously the cure for Cancer.

I was always taught there are two things you never try and argue. Politics and Religion, it would seem to me that there are actually three things you should never argue. Pony cars should definetly make the list

[69NMYSS]

I think it's pretty darn amazing what Ford has done with the 13 GT500. 662 hp is insane, especially for the price. No doubt it will likely defeat the ZL1 in the 1/4. But remember, the ZL1 is posting sub 12 second runs BONE stock and it has only been out a month. In addition, it is an all out track warrior and will be a much more comfortable DD. With PTM, magneto suspension and all the track coolers, the ZL1 is a much better all around GT car. Yes the GT500 will probably be a little faster in the 1/4, but the few 1/10's seconds faster is not worth giving up the looks, comfort, all around performance, and engineering marvel of the ZL1.

[kbar4782]

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

To be fair I don't see the GT500er's acting any more/less stupid then the Camaro guys here. Camaro guys have it ingrained in their minds the GT500 can't handle, despite the fact that the 2011/2012 actually handle quite well and GT500 guys have written off the ZL1 as a competitor due to owners inability to replicate GM's results.

This is just another thread on this site that has become a joke because no matter how many times the smart members on this site tell the respective teams knob gobblers to reserve judgement until the facts are truly presented, see the performance figures, they fight back and forth like Neanderthals.

So to recap: No matter what facts are presented each team will write the opposite teams car off no matter what happens. Even if either car was miraculously the cure for Cancer.

Thank you. And one only has to look a couple of posts above mine to see the blind attempting to lead the blind....er.

Bob

[vertcobra99]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

I think it's pretty darn amazing what Ford has done with the 13 GT500. 662 hp is insane, especially for the price. No doubt it will likely defeat the ZL1 in the 1/4. But remember, the ZL1 is posting sub 12 second runs BONE stock and it has only been out a month. In addition, it is an all out track warrior and will be a much more comfortable DD. With PTM, magneto suspension and all the track coolers, the ZL1 is a much better all around GT car. Yes the GT500 will probably be a little faster in the 1/4, but the few 1/10's seconds faster is not worth giving up the looks, comfort, all around performance, and engineering marvel of the ZL1.

The only sub 12 second quarter mile times that have been done by the ZL1 are from GM. They also show a 1.6x 60 foot time which clearly indicates that they used DR's... not even a stock Z06 has posted a better 60 foot time weighing 1000 lbs less and having wider tires...

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by vertcobra99

The only sub 12 second quarter mile times that have been done by the ZL1 are from GM. They also show a 1.6x 60 foot time which clearly indicates that they used DR's... not even a stock Z06 has posted a better 60 foot time weighing 1000 lbs less and having wider tires...

The Vett also does not the 5 PTM modes that the ZL1 has.

Just because they had an outstanding 60 foot time, does NOT clearly indicate the use of DR's.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

I think it's pretty darn amazing what Ford has done with the 13 GT500. 662 hp is insane, especially for the price. No doubt it will likely defeat the ZL1 in the 1/4. But remember, the ZL1 is posting sub 12 second runs BONE stock and it has only been out a month. In addition, it is an all out track warrior and will be a much more comfortable DD. With PTM, magneto suspension and all the track coolers, the ZL1 is a much better all around GT car. Yes the GT500 will probably be a little faster in the 1/4, but the few 1/10's seconds faster

I will agree with that. Well said.

[capnkirk52]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Thank you. And one only has to look a couple of posts above mine to see the blind attempting to lead the blind....er.

Bob

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by vertcobra99

The only sub 12 second quarter mile times that have been done by the ZL1 are from GM. They also show a 1.6x 60 foot time which clearly indicates that they used DR's...

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Just because they had an outstanding 60 foot time, does NOT clearly indicate the use of DR's.

Yes, at times the logic and critical thinking skills of some who post here do appear to be underwhelming, or deliberate pot stirring.

The fact that a stock ZL1 ran a 1.6981 60 foot time does not clearly indicate that that time was achieved using Drag Radials.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

I think it's pretty darn amazing what Ford has done with the 13 GT500. 662 hp is insane, especially for the price. No doubt it will likely defeat the ZL1 in the 1/4. But remember, the ZL1 is posting sub 12 second runs BONE stock and it has only been out a month. In addition, it is an all out track warrior and will be a much more comfortable DD. With PTM, magneto suspension and all the track coolers, the ZL1 is a much better all around GT car. Yes the GT500 will probably be a little faster in the 1/4, but the few 1/10's seconds faster is not worth giving up the looks, comfort, all around performance, and engineering marvel of the ZL1.

My only issue with the above is that you are saying that the ZL1 will be a more comfortable DD. Based on what? The suspension? Visibility? Tires? Seating position? Transmission choices? Isn't most of that stuff a preference call based on the owner? Or are there objective facts that can be used to define and qualify those....metrics?

The same thing applies to "all around better car". That is quite subjective, at best, and will be determined by each individual owner based upon their own wants, needs, desires, etc.

To each their own, and I take nothing away (nor give anything extra) to either car.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by Ben Herman

WE RAN THEM BOTH YESTERDAY AT ROYAL PURPLE RACEWAY ALL DAY 2011 GT500 12.87 AND ZL1 WITH A 588 RWHP MOD DONE RAN 11.68

GT500 needed a driver mod. Here are my bone stock with the stock tire GT500 runs just last week in the Florida heat and humidity.

[vertcobra99]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Yes, at times the logic and critical thinking skills of some who post here do appear to be underwhelming, or deliberate pot stirring.

The fact that a stock ZL1 ran a 1.6981 60 foot time does not clearly indicate that that time was achieved using Drag Radials.

LOL are you guys being serious? You really think the ZL1 is able to overcome 1000 lbs with a smaller width tire and pull off a 1.6x 60 foot time because of magnetic suspension settings? I understand being a ford or chevy guy but its another thing to look past the completly obvious...

The ZR1 has the same magnetic suspension how come the ZR1 can't even come close to matching 1.6x 60 foot time on the stock tires? Here is an article about a ZR1 pulling a 1.58 60 foot time on drag radials:

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/video-stoc...-drag-radials/

So you are going to try to tell me that the ZL1 with stock tires will pull a 60 foot time close to that? If you believe that then I have some swamp land in florida to sell you.

EDIT:

Nice to see the ZL1 can pull better 60 foot times then almost all of the ZR1's on the drag times list (even the ones with DR's)

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--...ag-Racing.html

[kbar4782]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

GT500 needed a driver mod. Here are my bone stock with the stock tire GT500 runs just last week in the Florida heat and humidity.

No Way!!! there is no video!! No proof!!! I'm not trying to be an ass, but that is exactly what many of the other people on this forum act like when it comes to the ZL1's times. Why can't we just agree they are both great cars for a great price and drive what we personally enjoy and like. Besides, I doubt that every single GT500 or ZL1 that rolls off the line runs EXACTLY the same after broken in. Nor are all strips/conditions in the exact same condition. So we won't know until there have been several head to head runs with these cars by personal owners as it's been stated before.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by vertcobra99

LOL are you guys being serious? You really think the ZL1 is able to overcome 1000 lbs with a smaller width tire and pull off a 1.6x 60 foot time because of magnetic suspension settings? I understand being a ford or chevy guy but its another thing to look past the completly obvious...

The ZR1 has the same magnetic suspension how come the ZR1 can't even come close to matching 1.6x 60 foot time on the stock tires? Here is an article about a ZR1 pulling a 1.58 60 foot time on drag radials:

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/video-stoc...-drag-radials/

So you are going to try to tell me that the ZL1 with stock tires will pull a 60 foot time close to that? If you believe that then I have some swamp land in florida to sell you.

EDIT:

Nice to see the ZL1 can pull better 60 foot times then almost all of the ZR1's on the drag times list (even the ones with DR's)

http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--...ag-Racing.html

Just because a stock ZL1 ran a great 1.6981 60 foot time, doesn't unequivocally prove that that time was run using Drag Radials.

The ZR1 does not have the same Magnetic Ride Control suspension as the ZL1.

A 1.6981 second 60 foot time is 7.5 percent slower than a 1.58 second 60 foot time.

Also, 60-foot times are dependent upon many things such as traction, gearing, launch rpm, staging depth, how hot or cold the track and tires are, track conditions, etc.

If one wants to obtain a truly apples to apples comparison between a ZR1 and a ZL1, one would need to use the same driver on the same track on the same day.