So what do I have to do to beat a 5.0

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by cbass

Personally I think it's the IRS compared to the live axle that's holding it back more than the weight difference, but I have zero proof of that so I'm just wildly speculating.

An IRS, in and of itself, isn't bad at all for drag racing - in fact, it can be a benefit (stock suspension IRS vs stock suspension live axle) due to its ability to keep both tires solidly planted as the chassis tries to twist from torque. Where it gets a bad rap is from the extra weight, some extra power loss, and more places to potentially break (think halfshafts).

[Seer]

Originally Posted by cbass

Has it been narrowed down to carbon blockers? I thought some with carbon blockers still had the issue and it was more a problem with the hydraulics of the clutch than the synchros? I haven't seen an "official" solution thread though.

Also, if I am not mistaken I see the same brass blockers in the MT82 that were in the TR6060 before going to carbon blockers. Am I wrong about the brass blockers in the MT82? If not, then why aren't they an issue in the MT82?

MT82 has a tighter ratio between 1st and 2nd, that in itself was an issue with the TR6060.

You need to stop googling, because you're mixing your issues lol.

The 07-09 GT500 had hydraulics and had clutch issues. They fixed that with a TSB then put in a larger disc for the following years.

[Seer]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

An IRS, in and of itself, isn't bad at all for drag racing - in fact, it can be a benefit (stock suspension IRS vs stock suspension live axle) due to its ability to keep both tires solidly planted as the chassis tries to twist from torque. Where it gets a bad rap is from the extra weight, some extra power loss, and more places to potentially break (think halfshafts).

and added wheel hop... thinking back to my 03 cobra days lol.

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by Seer

You're entitled to your opinion, but that doesnt change the fact that most Mt82 problems were from oversensitive owners who fabricated issues in their heads.

If they were all garbage, then mine would've went a long time ago. Like everything, random cars will have their defects.

If it's any consolation to you, my 5'1" wife, drives her MT82 5.0 with ease everyday and does not fear for her life that it is going to kill her

Yeah. That horrible whining noise was in my head. And the mechanic that rode with me. It must have been in his head too. And my two friends that rode in it before I traded it that made the comment "what the **** is that noise?". It must have been in their heads too I guess. I think maybe you need to go back to the s197forum and keep drinking the MT-82 koolaid. I'm less and less liking you belittling me because of the fact that your car is supposedly perfect.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Yeah. That horrible whining noise was in my head. And the mechanic that rode with me. It must have been in his head too. And my two friends that rode in it before I traded it that made the comment "what the **** is that noise?". It must have been in their heads too I guess. I think maybe you need to go back to the s197forum and keep drinking the MT-82 koolaid. I'm less and less liking you belittling me because of the fact that your car is supposedly perfect.

No dude. If the problem is real, then you just don't know how to drive. Learn to drive a stick!

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by cbass

No dude. If the problem is real, then you just don't know how to drive. Learn to drive a stick!

Yeah. Been driving stick for about 8 years now. So anyone thats gonna throw that at me can stick it up their ass lol

[Deki]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Yeah. That horrible whining noise was in my head. And the mechanic that rode with me. It must have been in his head too. And my two friends that rode in it before I traded it that made the comment "what the **** is that noise?". It must have been in their heads too I guess. I think maybe you need to go back to the s197forum and keep drinking the MT-82 koolaid. I'm less and less liking you belittling me because of the fact that your car is supposedly perfect.

I'm beginning to suspect you, the mechanic, and all your friends that have been hearing that "noise" might just be imagining it. I'd say go to the doctor and get checked for some kind of a tumor before you go bashing the MT82 for no reason, and with no proof! Some people....jeez....

[Seer]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Yeah. That horrible whining noise was in my head. And the mechanic that rode with me. It must have been in his head too. And my two friends that rode in it before I traded it that made the comment "what the **** is that noise?". It must have been in their heads too I guess. I think maybe you need to go back to the s197forum and keep drinking the MT-82 koolaid. I'm less and less liking you belittling me because of the fact that your car is supposedly perfect.

the MT82 is noisey, but what your describing is not a broken trans.

I'm belitting you? It's not my fault you're overly sensitive.

Wow, dude, you have issues. Remind me not to send you a Christmas card

[Camper]

Originally Posted by jcAUss

Corrected times for me would have put me at 12.67 at 111 but if you add the same logic to the 5.0s they would have still been faster. This ruined my whole day at the track and has bugged me all day at work today. Basically same priced cars and not even close except for the driver mod. Plus I have spent 3k on top of what I paid for the car. Maybe I have a late Friday night build from Chevy. I loved my Camaro until yesterday. Now I am contemplating switching teams. I can't believe I am saying that but that is how disappointed I am.

go sit in one and come back when you dont feel like sitting in a $10k car...

I own a challenger and was in the market of picking up a second muscle car due to my ECU being locked... I drove both the SS and 5.0 and the SS is the more complete car by a landslide... I mean if your only goal is a quick 1/4 mile, the new 5.0 is your car. But if you want to feel like you have what you paid for, you shouldnt be disappointed in the 2SS.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

An IRS, in and of itself, isn't bad at all for drag racing - in fact, it can be a benefit (stock suspension IRS vs stock suspension live axle) due to its ability to keep both tires solidly planted as the chassis tries to twist from torque. Where it gets a bad rap is from the extra weight, some extra power loss, and more places to potentially break (think halfshafts).

I would have to disagree with this big time. There is a big reason why 4th gen F- bodies can run 9's with less power than C5 or C6 Vettes even though the Vette is almost always at least 200lbs lighter. There is no way you could convince me that a IRS is better for drag racing vs a SRA. Look at the trap speeds of all the fast IRS cars. When you see the trap speed you think hmmm that car should ET faster well in most cases it can't because the IRS is a handicap off the line. Your never going to be able to cut better 60ft times mod for mod vs the SRA. It is not better for drag racing in any configuration stock or modified. It has plagued 5th gen Camaro's, 04+ GTO's, Cobras and even Vettes when the power gets real high. One of the only reasons the Vette can get away with it like it does for a 10 sec or slower car is the weight balance of the car (having a true 50/50 split) and the fact that you can stuff MASSIVE tires in the fenderwells.

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by Deki

I'm beginning to suspect you, the mechanic, and all your friends that have been hearing that "noise" might just be imagining it. I'd say go to the doctor and get checked for some kind of a tumor before you go bashing the MT82 for no reason, and with no proof! Some people....jeez....

Well I do work near jet engines a lot

Originally Posted by Seer

the MT82 is noisey, but what your describing is not a broken trans.

I'm belitting you? It's not my fault you're overly sensitive.

Wow, dude, you have issues. Remind me not to send you a Christmas card

When your trans makes a sound like a supercharger whining, there is something wrong with it. I've driven other vehicles with Getrag transmissions and I know the type of normal whine they make make. If it's whining like mine was, that's poor gear meshing. If your rear end was making a noise like that you wouldn't keep driving it would you? No. You'd fix it.

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I would have to disagree with this big time. There is a big reason why 4th gen F- bodies can run 9's with less power than C5 or C6 Vettes even though the Vette is almost always at least 200lbs lighter. There is no way you could convince me that a IRS is better for drag racing vs a SRA. Look at the trap speeds of all the fast IRS cars. When you see the trap speed you think hmmm that car should ET faster well in most cases it can't because the IRS is a handicap off the line. Your never going to be able to cut better 60ft times mod for mod vs the SRA. It is not better for drag racing in any configuration stock or modified. It has plagued 5th gen Camaro's, 04+ GTO's, Cobras and even Vettes when the power gets real high. One of the only reasons the Vette can get away with it like it does for a 10 sec or slower car is the weight balance of the car (having a true 50/50 split) and the fact that you can stuff MASSIVE tires in the fenderwells.

Ok. We can agree to disagree. Regardless, I would say it is fear of breakage that leads to high mph vs ET packages you refer to - which is one of the things I mentioned that the IRS can be a liability for.

ZL1 seems to be bucking that trend though....don't you think?

[BackToTheFuture]

Originally Posted by cbass

When and where did I start calling people names?

Originally Posted by cbass

Lots of internet assholes.

It is not completely directed at anyone in particular, but was your passive aggressive way of calling me an asshole. Unlike a female I am not passive aggressive so I will clearly state please put your big girl panties on before returning to the conversation. Mmhhhh kay pumpkin? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Camper

go sit in one and come back when you dont feel like sitting in a $10k car...

Need I say more on that point?

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

Yeah. That horrible whining noise was in my head. And the mechanic that rode with me. It must have been in his head too. And my two friends that rode in it before I traded it that made the comment "what the **** is that noise?". It must have been in their heads too I guess. I think maybe you need to go back to the s197forum and keep drinking the MT-82 koolaid. I'm less and less liking you belittling me because of the fact that your car is supposedly perfect.

He said most of the reports were from overly sensitive owners, and that has been proven to be the case. Not he did not say all. It's called reading comprehension. Learn it. You should be able to since you have mastered the tricky craft of driving a manual transmission.

It is funny how this thread has evolved since the bugle was blown for the strictly camaro fanboys to come rushing in.

cbass I am sure you wouldn't like to admit it in this thread, but it appears you think all transmissions have problems. Could small amounts of people been having problems with transmission all along, but now there is this fascinating new place call the internet? Could it be that the only reason we think it is such a large issues is because the only people talking about it are the ones who have had problems? If every satisfied customer spoke up could it possibly drown out the nay sayers? Hmmmmm interesting....

Originally Posted by cbass

The camaro SS uses a TR6060 and there have been reports of problems with the transmission that I am sure most members here are aware of especially with high rpm shifting.

The TR6060 is also used on the GT500 and Challenger and on their forums you can see issues with high rpm shifting as well. No surprise there are it's fundamentally the same transmission.

Thing is on the V6 camaros they use a different transmission made in japan, but they also report problems with the transmissions and shifting.

The Mustang GT uses a Getrag MT82 made in China and again there are reports of transmission problems with grinding gears and popping out of gear.

So we has a Tremec TR6060 Made in Mexico with problems on the camaro ss, GT500, and Challenger.

We have an Aisin Made in Japan with problems on the camaro v6.

We have a Getrag MT82 Made in China with problems on the mustang GT and maybe even on the boss 302 and boss 302 ls?

What gives? What has changed in transmission construction or technology? 3 different companies. 3 different transmissions. 3 different places of assembly and they all seem to have some problem with grinding gears and popping out of gear.

[2012 IngotSilver 5.0]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

... When your trans makes a sound like a supercharger whining, there is something wrong with it. I've driven other vehicles with Getrag transmissions and I know the type of normal whine they make make. If it's whining like mine was, that's poor gear meshing. If your rear end was making a noise like that you wouldn't keep driving it would you? No. You'd fix it.

Coyote, my advice to you is stop wasting your time talking to those two guys.

Because the more I read their posts, the more I realize how illogical some of their statements are. Ignoring them is your best bet.