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ManOnTheBeach · 05-20-2009, 08:52 AM

My ordered 6M SS will be right at home with my Prius (great car), Mercedes Cl600, and Harley Deuce. Why do people who have never driven any of these feel the need to attack other owners cars? Odd.

Cheers

MilotiNY · 05-20-2009, 09:29 AM

the law most likely will have exceptions when it comes to sports cars and such. and on the other hand, it will only have a positive impact in my opinion. it will push these companies to start inventing engines with better fuel economy. and like someone else here said that with today's technology by 2016, i am sure they will come up with at least 35mpg. right now, the camaro gets 29mpg, so no worries, Camaro will be around for a long time.

2010SLVRBULIT · 05-20-2009, 09:38 AM

Electric camaros..cool..with 12v converters, and such. Now I'll be able to blend my drinks on the highway, for the ladies..Mojito anyone(shake, shake, shake)?

Tactical Z · 05-20-2009, 09:40 AM

Hopefully, because I want one...

And if not...I'll get a 2014 or 2013 and paint it white and have 2 red fender stripes and the plate will read LAST SS even though it would be 2 or 3 years old.

Lee9710 · 05-20-2009, 09:45 AM

Well.......I do believe the muscle car will not last through this. I have a highly modded 97 Trans Am and it is already extremely difficult to find parts for. I plan on keeping my 2010 SS for a very long time. My wife has a Honda Civic Hybrid and it actually is a good trip car. It drives like a luxury car and we can go all the way from NC to FL barely needing any gas. It's nice when you have 1 muscle car in the garage and another on the way. But anyway......I dont think we will have many cars like this after 2016. If they are willing to get rid of Pontiac, then no one is truly safe here.

2010SLVRBULIT · 05-20-2009, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enator

But don't forget that 80 000 people are waiting to Prius III delivery and Camaro only 18 000.

Last time I checked, there were more Prius than Camaros on the dealer lots. And the base Camaros are cheaper too. I'm not a Toyota hater, just don't care for the all the 'TRD' they're pushing out.

qbert48 · 05-20-2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovestanda

Mine sure as heck will! Had the last one 15 years and bound to have this the same if not longer. I'll have my new SS until they make it outright illegal to own or--if can't get parts to fix it anylonger.

I'll stock up on parts

Red Hot SS · 05-20-2009, 10:55 AM

In a word - YES

levi1922 · 05-20-2009, 11:53 AM

so we need the EPA to allow testing in a way which it will get the best possible milage (supposedly 100+) but some are saying they may require the gas engine to remain runing the whol time. this causes the milage to be in the 40s

Joe Remi · 05-20-2009, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by levi1922

so we need the EPA to allow testing in a way which it will get the best possible milage (supposedly 100+) but some are saying they may require the gas engine to remain runing the whol time. this causes the milage to be in the 40s

I don't think so. It's a physical impossibility for the Pruis now (it shuts down the ICE at a stop) and many cars are planned for engine-shutdown features in the near future. Determining MPG for the VOLT will be interesting. The first 30-or-so miles will be infinite MPG.

FordDave · 05-20-2009, 12:17 PM

The big brother paranoia in this thread is hilarious!

Yes there will be muscle cars in 2016.
- technology advancements
- reduce weight/lighter materials
- its a fleet average, not a model average

35mpg is very reasonable, even by today's standards. It might mean a bit of decontenting -- e.g. cloth instead of leather seats, engines will be aluminum, etc.

Also keep in mind that there's a harmonization of EPA, California, and federal emissions standards as a result of this process. The auto manufacturers only have 1 target to hit, not 3 separate ones. I have tremendous confidence that Big 3 auto still have the engineering skills to succeed under these circumstances.

And BTW, reducing dependency upon foreign oil is both good for the environment *and* good foreign policy -- no point giving good US and Canadian $ to middle eastern countries to fund the next extremist group.

CWI · 05-20-2009, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordDave

The big brother paranoia in this thread is hilarious!

Yes there will be muscle cars in 2016.
- technology advancements
- reduce weight/lighter materials
- its a fleet average, not a model average

35mpg is very reasonable, even by today's standards. It might mean a bit of decontenting -- e.g. cloth instead of leather seats, engines will be aluminum, etc.

.

Don't know about your Mustang but my Camaro already has an aluminum engine.

Hell, I had a '74 Vega, it was an aluminum block. I had a '05 Duramax, it was aluminum. Aluminum engines are here now, not something from the future.

dbotsfordtat · 05-20-2009, 02:36 PM

I wonder if Horse & Buggy manufacturers had discussions like this when the first cars showed up?

BigRigMike · 05-20-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbotsfordtat

I wonder if Horse & Buggy manufacturers had discussions like this when the first cars showed up?

I am sure everyone thought the horse and buggy would go away but I still see them everyday.

05-20-2009, 08:52 AM	#57
ManOnTheBeach Drives: Mercedes CL500, Prius, Harley Join Date: May 2009 Location: Palm Beach Posts: 1	Attack On Owners Other Cars My ordered 6M SS will be right at home with my Prius (great car), Mercedes Cl600, and Harley Deuce. Why do people who have never driven any of these feel the need to attack other owners cars? Odd. Cheers

05-20-2009, 09:45 AM	#61
Lee9710 Drives: 2013 Summit White ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Yelm, WA Posts: 629 View My Garage	Well.......I do believe the muscle car will not last through this. I have a highly modded 97 Trans Am and it is already extremely difficult to find parts for. I plan on keeping my 2010 SS for a very long time. My wife has a Honda Civic Hybrid and it actually is a good trip car. It drives like a luxury car and we can go all the way from NC to FL barely needing any gas. It's nice when you have 1 muscle car in the garage and another on the way. But anyway......I dont think we will have many cars like this after 2016. If they are willing to get rid of Pontiac, then no one is truly safe here. __________________ Proud Owner of the baddest Camaro ever built ZL1

05-20-2009, 10:55 AM	#64
Red Hot SS Drives: 2010 Victory Red 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Prince George, VA/Lexington, KY Posts: 586 View My Garage	In a word - YES __________________ Virginians Join Group: Virginia is for (Camaro) Lovers! VIN: 2G1FT1EW8A9118043 Finally Home! (6/16)

05-20-2009, 11:53 AM	#65
levi1922 Drives: 2LT RS CGM Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,378	so we need the EPA to allow testing in a way which it will get the best possible milage (supposedly 100+) but some are saying they may require the gas engine to remain runing the whol time. this causes the milage to be in the 40s __________________

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MilotiNY Drives: Volvo XC90 Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 67	the law most likely will have exceptions when it comes to sports cars and such. and on the other hand, it will only have a positive impact in my opinion. it will push these companies to start inventing engines with better fuel economy. and like someone else here said that with today's technology by 2016, i am sure they will come up with at least 35mpg. right now, the camaro gets 29mpg, so no worries, Camaro will be around for a long time.

05-20-2009, 09:38 AM	#59
2010SLVRBULIT Drives: G5(LLT) & C6(LS3) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MARS Posts: 7,525 View My Garage	Electric camaros..cool..with 12v converters, and such. Now I'll be able to blend my drinks on the highway, for the ladies..Mojito anyone(shake, shake, shake)?

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Tactical Z Banned Drives: Nissan Titan Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 8,490	Hopefully, because I want one... And if not...I'll get a 2014 or 2013 and paint it white and have 2 red fender stripes and the plate will read LAST SS even though it would be 2 or 3 years old.

05-20-2009, 12:17 PM	#67
FordDave Drives: 2010 Mustang V6 Pony Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	The big brother paranoia in this thread is hilarious! Yes there will be muscle cars in 2016. - technology advancements - reduce weight/lighter materials - its a fleet average, not a model average 35mpg is very reasonable, even by today's standards. It might mean a bit of decontenting -- e.g. cloth instead of leather seats, engines will be aluminum, etc. Also keep in mind that there's a harmonization of EPA, California, and federal emissions standards as a result of this process. The auto manufacturers only have 1 target to hit, not 3 separate ones. I have tremendous confidence that Big 3 auto still have the engineering skills to succeed under these circumstances. And BTW, reducing dependency upon foreign oil is both good for the environment and good foreign policy -- no point giving good US and Canadian $ to middle eastern countries to fund the next extremist group.

05-20-2009, 02:36 PM	#69
dbotsfordtat Drives: 2016 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 499	I wonder if Horse & Buggy manufacturers had discussions like this when the first cars showed up?