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IOMZL1 · 06-13-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rez333

No, but I guarantee no-one is pushing it on those roads. How can anyone do real track-like performance driving on any street? It's downright suicidal and dangerous to others - you'd need to use up at least 3 lanes to do it properly.

Some people are thinking that the fancy handling will count on the street - it simply won't. If you could push your car to the limits on a street enough feel the handling, you'd either be driving illegally or driving a car with average handling. I've never taken any on-ramp like I've taken a corner on a track - it's simply too dangerous and I'd have to cross lanes to do it.

Same arguments can be used for drag strip like acceleration on the street?

Mr. Unassailable · 06-13-2012, 01:02 PM

Some quality conversation there. I guess I'm old school. I drive my SS when I'm in a frisky mood or when I am taking my woman out(my work truck sees around 60% of my miles driven and the Taurus SHO sees like 35%). Where I live you stand no chance of road course like conditions being part of your travel plan. So the muscle car theme is what fits for my toy car. Acceleration from a red light and acceleration from a roll (high speed roll) are most important to me. I was a sponsored road course racer on bikes (you can google my screen name and see YouTube vids if you doubt it), I'm not a road course hater, I just don't feel the car road course stuff.

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KKreme15 · 06-13-2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DanSS24

It appeared the driver was attempting to get more g's and throttled it...and lost it. Hence the low g number. I was amazed that the ZL1 got more than 1 g, which is cool.

Just imagine taking the on or off ramp on a highway.

I pulled .88g on an on ramp the other day

Mr. Unassailable · 06-13-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Same arguments can be used for drag strip like acceleration on the street?

Negative. Illegal as it may be, people race off from red lights very frequently. Or one pulls up next to the other and they burn off from a roll. Lining up 8-10 cars on a twisty road and going balls out is much less likely.

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WILDHEMI · 06-13-2012, 01:09 PM

Looks like the ZL1 has one up on the GT500 with that MRC.....

DanSS24 · 06-13-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KKreme15

I pulled .88g on an on ramp the other day

Ahh...come on, you can do better.

LOWDOWN · 06-13-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deki

And the 2011 GT500 was faster than the Boss 302 around the track, so there is no need to put the Boss 302 suspension on the new GT500.

Repeating the same ol' mistruths doesn't make 'em any more truthful...

Lightning Lap '12 - 2012 BOSS LS = 3:02.8

Lightning Lap '11 - 2011 GT500 = 3:04.0

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...2-class-page-4

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...2-class-page-3

GoldenBear · 06-13-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

Negative. Illegal as it may be, people race off from red lights very frequently. Or one pulls up next to the other and they burn off from a roll. Lining up 8-10 cars on a twisty road and going balls out is much less likely.

I think IOM was referring to the fact that the illegality, dangerousness, and suicidal arguments of track like driving on the street can also be used with regard to drag strip like driving on the street.

GoldenBear · 06-13-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Repeating the same ol' mistruths doesn't make 'em any more truthful...

Lightning Lap '12 - 2012 BOSS LS = 3:02.8

Lightning Lap '11 - 2011 GT500 = 3:04.0

LD, don't you know that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

IOMZL1 · 06-13-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Unassailable

Negative. Illegal as it may be, people race off from red lights very frequently. Or one pulls up next to the other and they burn off from a roll. Lining up 8-10 cars on a twisty road and going balls out is much less likely.

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Why does it have to be 8-10 cars? Why not just 2 or even 1? We aren't talking Cannonball Run type racing here, just using the car for more of its potential. I'm guilty of 'solo' acceleration runs and also taking curvy roads at higher speeds where I can see that there is little risk for danger in deserted areas. And crossing lanes is talked about like it is the worst ever - if nobody is around I do that as well. It is fun, and I enjoy both.

My point? Not m(any) are taking their cars to 100% drag strip or 100% road course potential on the street. But 60-90% of the car's potential? I think that happens quite a bit for both. The less performance the car has the slower you have to go to get it to the limit. Some are acting like everyone follows the speed limit on curves but pay no regard for it on straights. This is just inaccurate. I know of plenty of instances of people squealing the tires because they are near their lateral limit on an on ramp – I guess some just take it at 25 mph but floor it once it straightens up.

It is just as easy to lose control going straight under heavy acceleration as it is pushing the car in a turn for those who don’t respect the limits. And it’s just as easy to push the car to an enjoyable level under both of these circumstances for those who do.

LOWDOWN · 06-13-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Actually, originally the ZL1 was an RPO of an engine, not the trim level designation of a Camaro. The 9560 COPO Camaro was the Camaro in which the ZL1 Cam-Am racing engine was placed. The 9560 COPO Camaro used the L78 SS configuration as its base platform.

Actually, my friends, you're BOTH right...

COPO 9560 was the Harrell/Gibb-Piggins effort to NHRA-sanction the L-88-based ZL1 engine assembly for drag racing...but there WAS an optional COPO 9737 "package" that put the Z/28 suspension/wheels-tires under the COPO 9560-9561 (L72) cars. Exactly TWO "ZL1" Camaros were built that way...

DanSS24 · 06-13-2012, 01:28 PM

Any kind of road racing is illegal, much less dangerous. I'm a patrol officer and am against any type of racing on a public street. I've seen my share of maimed or dead bodies out here in Hawaii, as well as hearing it on the news on the mainland. I know it happens and still happening now, even though i'm doing investigations these days. I may be jaded now, but PLEASE let us use our common sense.

now back on topic. Until I retire, I have to rely on mags and pros to do the testing before I buy both vehicles.

Deki · 06-13-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Repeating the same ol' mistruths doesn't make 'em any more truthful...

Lightning Lap '12 - 2012 BOSS LS = 3:02.8

Lightning Lap '11 - 2011 GT500 = 3:04.0

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...2-class-page-4

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...2-class-page-3

You can live in an alternate reality of you'd like, but the GT500 ran a 2:58 at VIR. The only ones spreading mistruths and ignorance here is you.

http://youtu.be/aR7PIZhFUdc

See how much of a difference a different driver, on a different day can make? About 6 seconds me reckons.

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

LD, don't you know that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.

See post above. I don't drink the GT500 cool-aid, since I don't even own a GT500, but you guys with your alternate universe realities are really over the top. Calling something a lie just because you want it to be not be true does not make it so.

And here is another one, same day, same driver, same track, GT500 faster than the Boss 302 LS.

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...shoot-out.html

Enjoy.

GoldenBear · 06-13-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Actually, my friends, you're BOTH right...

COPO 9560 was the Harrell/Gibb-Piggins effort to NHRA-sanction the L-88-based ZL1 engine assembly for drag racing...but there WAS an optional COPO 9737 "package" that put the Z/28 suspension/wheels-tires under the COPO 9560-9561 (L72) cars. Exactly TWO "ZL1" Camaros were built that way...

Yes, the "Double COPO" Camaros. My intended point really was that the ZL1 was an engine RPO, and not a trim level as it is today, and that the 1969 COPO builds started with L78 SS trim as their base since the were big block cars and then the COPO package items were added to the base.

In 1969 there was no ZL1 Camaro trim package, and the Corvette could be ordered with the ZL1 engine, also.

06-13-2012, 01:02 PM	#268
Mr. Unassailable Drives: 2010 2SS MT, 2010 SHO, 2004 S60R Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 581	Some quality conversation there. I guess I'm old school. I drive my SS when I'm in a frisky mood or when I am taking my woman out(my work truck sees around 60% of my miles driven and the Taurus SHO sees like 35%). Where I live you stand no chance of road course like conditions being part of your travel plan. So the muscle car theme is what fits for my toy car. Acceleration from a red light and acceleration from a roll (high speed roll) are most important to me. I was a sponsored road course racer on bikes (you can google my screen name and see YouTube vids if you doubt it), I'm not a road course hater, I just don't feel the car road course stuff. Sent from my iPhone __________________ Garage: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS M6, 2010 Taurus SHO, 2004 S60R GT, 2008 F250

06-13-2012, 01:09 PM	#271
WILDHEMI Drives: 2006 300CSRT8-2007 GT500 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 7	Looks like the ZL1 has one up on the GT500 with that MRC..... __________________ 2006 300CSRT8 13.0 @110.9 mph 2.0 60' CAI, Tune 2007 GT500 1997 C5 lost in divorce

06-13-2012, 01:28 PM	#278
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	Any kind of road racing is illegal, much less dangerous. I'm a patrol officer and am against any type of racing on a public street. I've seen my share of maimed or dead bodies out here in Hawaii, as well as hearing it on the news on the mainland. I know it happens and still happening now, even though i'm doing investigations these days. I may be jaded now, but PLEASE let us use our common sense. now back on topic. Until I retire, I have to rely on mags and pros to do the testing before I buy both vehicles. __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.