Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by VTXFrank

...Until an unbiased source, or two biased sources, brings these two cars together on the same track, in full factory stock trim down to the rubber they come with, and puts them through their paces from the straights to the corners, all this fanboism BS is just that. BS.

The 2011 Mustang GT out-did everything compared to the 2011 Camaro SS. But it remains SO close, that in the real world, with regular people, it's purely a drivers race. I FULLY expect the GT500 vs. Camaro ZL1 to be the same...

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding....winner!

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...The "other" factors, regarding Z06 vs. GS? Go back and read both stories. Whoever drove the Z06 was either not competent, or the car was ill-prepared. GS drive? Far more complimentary...

Hmmm...reminiscent of the C5 Vette vs 4th Gen SS lap times?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by richtor

2011 gt500 hit 1.01 on the skid, with straight line performance similar to the current ZL1.

Both Great Cars!

different track, different day.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Hmmm...reminiscent of the C5 Vette vs 4th Gen SS lap times?

Egg-Zachery!

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Egg-Zachery!

See...Red Planet and I *can* agree from time to time...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

See...Red Planet and I *can* agree from time to time...

Perhaps more often than we both care to admit...

[Bob Cosby]

All things are possible...for evidence....I bought a Vette instead of another Mustang.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by VTXFrank

Until an unbiased source, or two biased sources, brings these two cars together on the same track, in full factory stock trim down to the rubber they come with, and puts them through their paces from the straights to the corners, all this fanboism BS is just that. BS.

I seriously doubt you will see a factory stock trim gt500 going up against a zl1 on a road course test. Without the bilsteins I don't see how it will keep up.

Just because we like camaros and just because this review was postive for the ZL1 does not make people here fanboys. We are under no obligation to be politically correct about our choice in cars. I've owned more fords than chevys, but I prefer the camaro. This inside line review was not bs. Neither was the dyno pull video they posted.

The 2011 Mustang GT out-did everything compared to the 2011 Camaro SS. But it remains SO close, that in the real world, with regular people, it's purely a drivers race. I FULLY expect the GT500 vs. Camaro ZL1 to be the same.

If you are saying the gt500 will outdo everything compared to the zl1 then I think you are way way off base.

[richtor]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I seriously doubt you will see a factory stock trim gt500 going up against a zl1 on a road course test. Without the bilsteins I don't see how it will keep up.

Just because we like camaros and just because this review was postive for the ZL1 does not make people here fanboys. We are under no obligation to be politically correct about our choice in cars. I've owned more fords than chevys, but I prefer the camaro. This inside line review was not bs. Neither was the dyno pull video they posted.



If you are saying the gt500 will outdo everything compared to the zl1 then I think you are way way off base.

Do you mean factory stock or no option vs no option vehicles? The base 13 gt500 will out turn and out run the track pack 12 gt500. and with a definitive power advantage it could keep up on bigger circuits.

I also like how everyone still says the gt500 cannot turn with live axle. It put up the same figure 8 numbers as the 12 gtr.

The MR suspension makes it easy to go fast in the ZL1. Just like the GTR I feel the new technology is taking all the fun out of the drive.

[PDSS]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Au contraire, I guess you missed my answer to that post (post 250), I said I had not seen that artical. And in my original post you included here I said If I remember correctly, that means I did not remember seeing anything about Chevy promoting the ZL1 as a drag car. Still again as I said in that post all the TV commercials have shown it on a road course, not a drag strip. Also about me stirring the pot more than anyone else you need to look at all the Mustang people comments and see who is stirring. Many of my posts were saying that on a road course it will still depend on how long the straights are, the longer the better for the Shelby. So you need to read before flaming. Even though I quit posting, I did make several more posts after the one you mentioned, And as I stated by that time it was going around in circles just as it still is, anyway i kept reading just so I could see remarks like yours. Good luck and nice try.

Yeah cause every owner of a ZL1 or Shelby is going out on road courses racing all the time....it is all about the being lined up on the street.....I'm not afraid to call it what it is....an ass whooping!

[GearBangr]

Originally Posted by PDSS

Yeah cause every owner of a ZL1 or Shelby is going out on road courses racing all the time....it is all about the being lined up on the street.....I'm not afraid to call it what it is....an ass whooping!

Anything can happen on the street.
Doesn't matter anyways. 99% of 500 and zl1 owners will never see more than 80mph.
Or anything more strenous than Sunday drives.

[samhardy2008]

both cars are just awesome

[DanSS24]

Originally Posted by VTXFrank

I'll say it again. These two cars are modern muscle car wonders of technology and science. Who would of ever thought a solid rear axle Mustang could be made to perform at these levels for a, relatively, low price? Who ever thought a 4,000lb Camaro could be made to keep up with a lot of cars costing twice as much?

Until an unbiased source, or two biased sources, brings these two cars together on the same track, in full factory stock trim down to the rubber they come with, and puts them through their paces from the straights to the corners, all this fanboism BS is just that. BS.

The 2011 Mustang GT out-did everything compared to the 2011 Camaro SS. But it remains SO close, that in the real world, with regular people, it's purely a drivers race. I FULLY expect the GT500 vs. Camaro ZL1 to be the same.

The GT500 *could* over power the Camaro on the straights while giving it time to catch up/stay close through the corners. Conversely, if the GT500 proves to not handle anywhere near as well as the ZL1, the straightaways may not allow it time enough to recover the lost ground. The ZL1 is a cornering monster. When compared to previous Camaro's, it's an evolutionary step of huge proportions!

What a great day and age we car enthusiasts are living in!! Even if you bought the basic car for each, you're in the same price range with the Camaro costing just a tiny tad more at base prices. Someone said there was a $10k difference. That is laughable at best. You don't compare fully optioned cars like that unless you're C/D or MotorTrend and that's the cost of the car you've been given to test.

So use some friggin common sense and stop all this high school fanboy BS. In the next couple of weeks, I'm sure testing will prove out that the ZL1 is the better handling machine and the GT500 is the more powerful one. Buying either car comes down to ones thoughts on styling. If you buy a car you perceive as ugly or OK just because it's a tad quicker in the 1/4, then you are an idiot of epic proportions. We each buy that car that moves us not just physically, but emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

WOW...just WOW well said. BTW...I like you're 5.0, looks nice with black wheels.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I seriously doubt you will see a factory stock trim gt500 going up against a zl1 on a road course test. Without the bilsteins I don't see how it will keep up.

Just because we like camaros and just because this review was postive for the ZL1 does not make people here fanboys. We are under no obligation to be politically correct about our choice in cars. I've owned more fords than chevys, but I prefer the camaro. This inside line review was not bs. Neither was the dyno pull video they posted.



If you are saying the gt500 will outdo everything compared to the zl1 then I think you are way way off base.

There is no way a base GT500 will hang on a course with the ZL1. The Bilsteins, and Torsen limited slip differential are going to be needed to keep up on the track. Furthermore, it would be interesting to see how the base GT500 performs on the drag strip, I am sure the Torsen limited slip differential aids in the straight line performance?

[snapp32e]

If it was all about "being lined up on the street" I could have built a 2013 GT500 "ass whooping" Camaro for less than I paid for the ZL1. For me it had nothing to do with straight lined performance. The ZL1 is a complete package from the factory, ready for the track even if 95% of the time it will never see it. That's what sold me.