Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

As sweet as the new ZL2 is, I'd rather have this beauty. It looks svelte rather than cartoonie. Absolutely beautiful. Wanna trade?

Thanks for the kind words but, as may you know, I could never sell or trade my '69 Z28. Far too many memories. I do think the Boss is a very nice car, however, in fact, I prefer it to the GT500, but I'm sure you understand that I can't foresake one of my early loves.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

LMFAO!! WOW!! Now this place is the court of law. Guess i better watch what i say...Hahahaha

That's right. You can make all the libelous comments you want here, and you will probably not be sued. The main reason is that no one cares what you say.

My point, which you obviously failed to understand, is that Inside Line would most certainly be sued if they made libelous comments about the gt500. So why doesn't ford respond or sue them if its so obviously a lie?

The answer is that it's not a lie. You are in denial and simply can't accept that your favorite car came in 2nd place to the zl1.

And those were exaggerated example just to make you GET my point of view. And we're talking 100 more rwhp and 300lbs less weight.

The ZL1 will not put seconds on the Shelby in the turns. It will be a very close race

No, I don't "GET" your point of view. Mostly because you don't argue with facts.

Actually it's about 225 lbs weight difference, but I bet you'll respond, "LMFAO!!! 75lbs big deal!!!! Nothing can beat the gt500!!!"

We've already seen that the weight difference isn't a benefit to the gt500. And yes, the zl1 could most certainly pull 1-2 seconds away on the corners. That's one of the main purposes of focusing on suspension and handling when building a car.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

I would really love to see a rematch between the Boss and ZL1. This time make them do 10-20 laps tho. Im willing to bet from the 3rd lap on the Boss would be running better lap times.

I'd take you up on that bet for any amount of money. If you'll watch the video again, you'll see that they test the cars for 2 days. Do you really think they only ran 2 laps consecutively? But I guess since you didn't see all 2 days of footage, you won't believe that either.

The boss was dominated there. And it was virtually all in the corners not the straights.

Even though the zl1 dominated in the corners, you're going to mumble something about heat soak. And even though the 302 has inferior brakes, you going to mention how important brake fade will become.

[evolve]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I'd take you up on that bet for any amount of money. If you'll watch the video again, you'll see that they test the cars for 2 days. Do you really think they only ran 2 laps consecutively? But I guess since you didn't see all 2 days of footage, you won't believe that either.

The boss was dominated there. And it was virtually all in the corners not the straights.

Even though the zl1 dominated in the corners, you're going to mumble something about heat soak. And even though the 302 has inferior brakes, you going to mention how important brake fade will become.

I have to disagree.

Originally Posted by 97SS

Its funny to see most ZL1 fans here, state that the ZL1 is such a good handling car, or its made for the road course.

I'll re-post this again. I was at the track (Buttonwillow), last week, and there was a brand new Black ZL1 (owner is a member here), who previously owned a modified Camaro SS and a Z06, that he regulary tracked and auto x'd.

In his OWN words, he was VERY dis-appointed with the ZL1's performance at Buttonwillow. Especially being passed by stock Boss 302's. The best times he had that day, was 1:59 and a 2:01. The car started to suffer from the Heat, by the end of the day. The stock Boss 302's were doing 1:54's, and an owner with a stock LS with slicks, was running 1:50's. He thought (and I did as well), that the ZL1 was going to be a Track owners dream with a warranty. However, it still has the same understeer issues, the Camaro SS has.

I talked to the owner of the 2013 Boss 302, in which is was his first time out on a track (ouch). I had my high hopes for the ZL1 as well, but it is what it is. Hopefully GM comes back with a vengeance.

Like some of Mopar's products, the ZL1 is cool car, but when compared to others (regarding performance) - There are much better examples.

From this site.

[Blue Menace]

Originally Posted by mlee

I'd rather be faster... can we swap and still call it a tie...

No such luck. You gotta "dance with the date that brung ya."

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by evolve

I have to disagree.


From this site.

Yeah I saw that earlier. It's funny how the ford owners here latch on to stuff like this, but then when something such as the h2h boss vs. zl1 they forget about.

I mean think about it. What has been the main response from the ford camp since the inside line review? "We need same driver, same track, same conditions review on a real track by a professional driver." Which is how the original boss vs. zl1 comparison was done.

But that's not what we have here is it? Yet, the ford guys etch it into a plaque and whip it out as if it is the ultimate comparison.

Edit: I'm not saying the post is dishonest, but I do have a question that nags me. If the boss LS guy was his first time at a track, then what was he doing in racing slicks? This means he brought an extra set of rims I guess or he trailered his car. It's just a little odd to me. I mean, he obviously came prepared like he knew what he was doing. Or maybe the boss LS guy was not his first time to track. It's not clear who he's talking about.

[knitetrain05]

The Mustang wins. But I like the look of the camaro so much better. Thats why i bought my SS

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

And no one cares what u say as well.

Ford cant and wont sue them. How do i know this? Cause IL lied and they havent sued.

Once again read my posts before commenting. Ive already said its the ZL1-1 GT500-0 Doesnt sound like denial to me.

By you saying weight doesnt make a difference i really shouldnt waste my time with your ignorance but its pure comedy so ill continue.

When i say the ZL1 will nor beat the GT500 by seconds i meant by 3 or more. Both cars will be within a second or two of each other. With the winner depending on the track.

Ford most certainly could sue them. Why not?

You're in denial because you think inside line has lied, yet you even admit you have no proof!

OK, then enlighten us with your car wisdom. Where will the weight difference help?

Acceleration? Yes, we know this.

Braking? Doesn't look like it. gt500 doesn't have brake ducts or 2-piece rotors. I'm not saying the zl1 will be superior here. The gt500 has slightly larger front rotors, and less weight. I'm saying neither car will gain a significant advantage with the brakes.

Handling? No.

OK, 3 seconds or more. I might agree with you on that.

[oortcloud]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

Jesus man. Ok so they had the cars for two days and DID NOT mention once that they hot lapped the cars. Not a single peep of this. But it perfectly fine for you to ASSUME that they did but its NOT ok for me to assume that they DIDNT??? Are you really that dense?

I'll go ahead and assume that they didnt since they DIDNT say that they did. Kinda makes sense now doesnt it?

If you really think a 4300lb supercharged car is a ideal auto x car then you know NOTHING about cars or racing. You say mumble something about heat soak as if your trying to downplay it as if it isnt an issue. Trust me its REAL! And it will def kill performance. Again if you dont know this then you really dont belong in this thread.

You said 3 laps!! Now you want to take that back I guess.

HpJunkie, I hereby officially dub you "Ford Fanboy HpJunkie"!

And you get 0 points for reading comprehension since I already said the zl1 dominated in the corners not the straights.

[Monsterpost]

What I got out of the reveiw, GT500 is faster and the Zl1 handles better. Was anyone really suprised at the result? Now stop all the bickering and go buy the car you want.

[alex33x]

Originally Posted by HpJunkie69

And no one cares what u say as well.

Ford cant and wont sue them. How do i know this? Cause IL lied and they havent sued.

Once again read my posts before commenting. Ive already said its the ZL1-1 GT500-0 Doesnt sound like denial to me.

By you saying weight doesnt make a difference i really shouldnt waste my time with your ignorance but its pure comedy so ill continue.

When i say the ZL1 will nor beat the GT500 by seconds i meant by 3 or more. Both cars will be within a second or two of each other. With the winner depending on the track.

You're not counting the money factor, or those willing to void the warranty. Around my area guys with GT500's are fully stock, so I know I'll running down 90% of the owners on the tracks, because Im willing to void my warranty and invest more money in the car. Hell I was beating GT500's on my modified SS, I can only imagine what I'll do in my Modified ZL1.

[Betiwin]

We should know in about week which car handles better. Both cars are at LSeca right now. The inside line review is a waste. Shelby is Z06 fast and the ZL1 inspires confindence. Not alot more can be assumed from the article they didnt track the cars. Now when Motor Trend lists the time for both of these cars around Laguna same day somebody is gonna eat crow. If its the ZL1 then we are looking at mass depression in here and if it's the Shelby with the slower time the ford guys are gonna have to finally cut the Z some respect as an auto X car. Soon this will be put to rest.

[Betiwin]

Originally Posted by alex33x

You're not counting the money factor, or those willing to void the warranty. Around my area guys with GT500's are fully stock, so I know I'll running down 90% of the owners on the tracks, because Im willing to void my warranty and invest more money in the car. Hell I was beating GT500's on my modified SS, I can only imagine what I'll do in my Modified ZL1.

I have never seen a stock mustang. I am being serious to! Stock vette yes, stock camaro not usually, stock mustang never.

[shrinkdoc]

Originally Posted by camarohead

plus 1...good post klatter. the body style and lines of the camaro are just more badass to me.

I like the Mustang styling except for the rear light fascia. The shape looks weak for that car.