Shop did not install my C5R chain and LS7 dampner during LS3 conversion - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

mike.nite · 06-21-2012, 06:08 PM

Just received a phonecall from the shop. My car is ready.
They installed a LS3 conversion, Trunion upgrade, new cam, new heads, dual springs, hardened pushrods, ...
I am really happy with their work and this shop got *great reputation over here.

They told me they did not install my C5R chain and the LS7 dampner because of the following reasons:

- My car is still brand new (2'500 miles)
- they never had any problems with the stock chain and dampner
- If you open the chain "housing" and reuse all the stock gaskets it won't be as well sealed as before
- it is very extensive/time consuming because the oilpan has to be opened and the oilpump has to be removed

Do this statements make sense to you guys?

nighttowl · 06-21-2012, 06:19 PM

they didnt want to open up the oil pan obviously. you have to lift the engine way up to get it to drop far enough to get the pump off. Did they say they were going to do it prior to "digging into it"? You should have been charged more to pull the oil pan to change the chain, were you? its damned near impossible to change the pump with the pan on. my oil pan was about 1/4 from the bolt head for the oil pump. when i seen that, i pulled the engine. there is no way it would come off without dropping the pan, and with all the crossmenbers on these cars, it is not a fun job.

but if you paid for it, they should have done it, or gave you the choice when they figured this out.

yotaman96 · 06-21-2012, 06:21 PM

How did they install the cam without removing the "chain housing" which I assume they meant timing cover? If you provided the parts and asked for them to install them, they should have installed them. When you're that far into it, it's not much more work to do the swap. I changed to the C5R timing chain and dampner when I did my cam.

nighttowl · 06-21-2012, 06:22 PM

by opening the housing, they mean grinding out the casting. a double roller chain will not physically fit without modification.

yotaman96 · 06-21-2012, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nighttowl

they didnt want to open up the oil pan obviously. you have to lift the engine way up to get it to drop far enough to get the pump off. Did they say they were going to do it prior to "digging into it"? You should have been charged more to pull the oil pan to change the chain, were you? its damned near impossible to change the pump with the pan on. my oil pan was about 1/4 from the bolt head for the oil pump. when i seen that, i pulled the engine. there is no way it would come off without dropping the pan, and with all the crossmenbers on these cars, it is not a fun job.

but if you paid for it, they should have done it, or gave you the choice when they figured this out.

The pan only has to be slightly lowered to separate the pump and pickup tube.

yotaman96 · 06-21-2012, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nighttowl

by opening the housing, they mean grinding out the casting. a double roller chain will not physically fit without modification.

The C5R chain is not a double roller.

nighttowl · 06-21-2012, 06:31 PM

then there is no reason not to install it. my guess would be that they forgot they had parts to install, and remembered after it was too late.

that sucks.

MRGOODWRENCH3 · 06-21-2012, 06:44 PM

Sounds like they flat rated the job. Probably pulled the timing cover, saw that getting the chain and oil pump out is a little more work and just decided to put it back together and give you a line of crap.

jeffny09 · 06-21-2012, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nighttowl

then there is no reason not to install it. my guess would be that they forgot they had parts to install, and remembered after it was too late.

that sucks.

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tkrupinski · 06-21-2012, 07:18 PM

Don't worry it will be fine. I asked all the chain and tensioner questions when i did mine and every shop i talked to said the stock parts will hold up, No problems so far.

BlackM6RS/SS · 06-21-2012, 07:26 PM

More likely it will be fine, damper is main suspect others have ran it in success. Main thing is running a 3 bolt cam and gear.

dekan513 · 06-21-2012, 07:43 PM

no worries if they thought it would be a problem they wouldnt let ur car go if they are a good shop. i know a few cars in my area that done the same and have had no problems yet

Ivan @ Southwest Speed · 06-21-2012, 07:48 PM

Did they charge you for it? If not, eh....but it would be nice to have that choice.

If so, Id say that they are lazy, forgot, or are just lazy. Oh did I say that twice?

FWIW.
Ivan

Birm · 06-21-2012, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkrupinski

Don't worry it will be fine. I asked all the chain and tensioner questions when i did mine and every shop i talked to said the stock parts will hold up, No problems so far.

You will be fine. Many cars run without the dampner including myself.

06-21-2012, 06:08 PM	#1
mike.nite Drives: 2011 2SS L99, 2010 LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NY (USA) ZH (Switzerland) Posts: 437	Shop did not install my C5R chain and LS7 dampner during LS3 conversion Just received a phonecall from the shop. My car is ready. They installed a LS3 conversion, Trunion upgrade, new cam, new heads, dual springs, hardened pushrods, ... I am really happy with their work and this shop got *great reputation over here. They told me they did not install my C5R chain and the LS7 dampner because of the following reasons: - My car is still brand new (2'500 miles) - they never had any problems with the stock chain and dampner - If you open the chain "housing" and reuse all the stock gaskets it won't be as well sealed as before - it is very extensive/time consuming because the oilpan has to be opened and the oilpump has to be removed Do this statements make sense to you guys?

06-21-2012, 06:21 PM	#3
yotaman96 Drives: 2017 Camaro SS1LE 2000 Trans Am WS6 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portland, TN Posts: 2,952 View My Garage	How did they install the cam without removing the "chain housing" which I assume they meant timing cover? If you provided the parts and asked for them to install them, they should have installed them. When you're that far into it, it's not much more work to do the swap. I changed to the C5R timing chain and dampner when I did my cam. __________________ 2017 Krypton Green SS 1LE Magnacharged 2000 Trans Am WS6 manual trans 2002 Trans Am 2015 Ram Crew Cab Cummins

06-21-2012, 06:31 PM	#7
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,907 View My Garage	then there is no reason not to install it. my guess would be that they forgot they had parts to install, and remembered after it was too late. that sucks. __________________ "The salesman actually told me to stop getting it sideways during the test drive" 2018 MBM ZL1 1LE - 652 rwhp, 588 rwtq SAE 2014 CRT ZL1 574 rwhp, 537 rwtq - SOLD 2010 IBM SS Camaro VVT L99 w/ TR6060 swap, 489 rwhp, 444 rwtq - SOLD

06-21-2012, 07:26 PM	#11
BlackM6RS/SS Drives: 2010 Black M6 RS/2SS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Benbrook, TX Posts: 287	More likely it will be fine, damper is main suspect others have ran it in success. Main thing is running a 3 bolt cam and gear. __________________ 10 Blk/Blk RS/2SS w/CGM Stripes ADM H/C/I M6 480rwhp 435rwtq FE4 LCAs w/Pfadt ZL swaybars Diff bushings Trailing arms Drop springs

06-21-2012, 07:43 PM	#12
dekan513 chevy pride Drives: 2ss/rs Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: pikeville ky Posts: 2,141 View My Garage	no worries if they thought it would be a problem they wouldnt let ur car go if they are a good shop. i know a few cars in my area that done the same and have had no problems yet __________________ check out ky speeds fb page https://www.facebook.com/kyspeed

06-21-2012, 06:19 PM	#2
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,907 View My Garage	they didnt want to open up the oil pan obviously. you have to lift the engine way up to get it to drop far enough to get the pump off. Did they say they were going to do it prior to "digging into it"? You should have been charged more to pull the oil pan to change the chain, were you? its damned near impossible to change the pump with the pan on. my oil pan was about 1/4 from the bolt head for the oil pump. when i seen that, i pulled the engine. there is no way it would come off without dropping the pan, and with all the crossmenbers on these cars, it is not a fun job. but if you paid for it, they should have done it, or gave you the choice when they figured this out.

06-21-2012, 06:22 PM	#4
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,907 View My Garage	by opening the housing, they mean grinding out the casting. a double roller chain will not physically fit without modification.

06-21-2012, 06:44 PM	#8
MRGOODWRENCH3 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Park City, Utah Posts: 670 View My Garage	Sounds like they flat rated the job. Probably pulled the timing cover, saw that getting the chain and oil pump out is a little more work and just decided to put it back together and give you a line of crap.

06-21-2012, 07:18 PM	#10
tkrupinski Hugger Orange Drives: 2010 Hugger Orange 2SS/ RS YSI/4l80 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Marysville Ohio Posts: 535	Don't worry it will be fine. I asked all the chain and tensioner questions when i did mine and every shop i talked to said the stock parts will hold up, No problems so far.

06-21-2012, 07:48 PM	#13
Ivan @ Southwest Speed Drives: '15 Z06, '01 NBM SS, '97 SS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rio Rancho, NM Posts: 12,161	Did they charge you for it? If not, eh....but it would be nice to have that choice. If so, Id say that they are lazy, forgot, or are just lazy. Oh did I say that twice? FWIW. Ivan