Inside Line: 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Comparison

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 9c1ny

Remember when I posted this?-

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218483

Any doubters now??

what does a drag race with a 2011 have to do with lap times on a 2013. Am I missing something?

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by 10forty2

And for everybody else making the NASCAR comparison...true...they don't have all the computer controlled stuff on the car, but everything about a NASCAR race car today is computer tuned, right down to the millimeter of adjustment on the suspension setup for each track. Plus, the guys driving these things are professional drivers who LOVE turning left!! LOL!

I take you didn't see yesterday's race at Sonoma, these guys are some of the best in the world at turning both ways.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Any serious Racers would build a race car designed for whatever race they wish to participate in. All of you compare a after market car (SHELBY GT500) to a production car (ZL1) and want to bash it. When Ford builds a production car that's better, let me know. If you want to compare after market cars, lets compare the HPE700 to the Shelby. Don't want to do that huh... why not, is it because we ALL know the answer to that?

You keep coming back with this same statement. Are you really that incredibly bias, after being proven wrong NUMEROUS times you STILL spew this bs? The GT500 is a FORD engineered, FORD manufactured, and FORD sold vehicle. Shelby did not design the car, nor does the gt500 ever go to Shelby's facilities. It uses his name for marketing, plain and simple. EARTH TO JIM! STOP MAKING BOGUS CLAIMS YOU KNOW ARE BOGUS.

As for the nascar vs f1 comparison. . . I get what you're saying, but if a NASCAR vehicle ever beats a formula 1 car on a road course I'll be stocking up on water and ammunition.

[C5RocksC5]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

"The Camaro ZL1 can turn consistent fast laps all day. It's infinitely more precise and capable, and genuinely rewarding in its engineering goodness. The fact that it was only about a half second off the Shelby's best time despite a huge power deficit speaks volumes."

Neither of these two cars will turn consistent lap times all day. A NA car with great brakes will but not these two supercharged boats. Heat soak will come into play. The ZL1 IMO is just easier to drive in a track, may not always be faster but more enjoyable and confidence inspiring. No question the GT500 is faster going in 0-60 and 1/4.

[Van@RevanRacing]

Originally Posted by Erik@Torq

Btw Van, I thought you might find this interesting, I just posted this in a different thread after having my car on the scales. You had a chance to weigh the GT500 yet?

Erik

After one of my Time Trial sessions I reported to impound and got put on the scales.

Like you, very little fuel. Less than 1/4 tank of gas and indicator said 42 miles to empty.

3,992 with driver. I weigh 450 lbs......... JK, I weigh 180.

Here's a snap shot of the scales.

[collins motorsport]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

You keep coming back with this same statement. Are you really that incredibly bias, after being proven wrong NUMEROUS times you STILL spew this bs? The GT500 is a FORD engineered, FORD manufactured, and FORD sold vehicle. Shelby did not design the car, nor does the gt500 ever go to Shelby's facilities. It uses his name for marketing, plain and simple. EARTH TO JIM! STOP MAKING BOGUS CLAIMS YOU KNOW ARE BOGUS.

As for the nascar vs f1 comparison. . . I get what you're saying, but if a NASCAR vehicle ever beats a formula 1 car on a road course I'll be stocking up on water and ammunition.

Do you even have a dog in this fight? This is ZL1 vs Shelby not STI vs Evo here.

[Van@RevanRacing]

Originally Posted by Erik@Torq

You bet, that's the idea!

/Erik

Which course are they running?

The interior road course or the Grand Am circuit?

Van

[C5RocksC5]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Any serious Racers would build a race car designed for whatever race they wish to participate in. All of you compare a after market car (SHELBY GT500) to a production car (ZL1) and want to bash it. When Ford builds a production car that's better, let me know. If you want to compare after market cars, lets compare the HPE700 to the Shelby. Don't want to do that huh... why not, is it because we ALL know the answer to that?

[BoostedX2]

Interesting, the F/R weight bias for the ZL1 is 52.9/47.2 while the GT500 is 57/43 (but also includes the driver, think that puts a little more in the front perhaps) but the 57/43 is close...

[collins motorsport]

Let's just call this what it is Fords attempt to steal Camaro thunder, thought up in a frantic effort to bring Mustang sales back up above those of the Camaro.

[peteypab2133]

Originally Posted by 2SSJIM

Any serious Racers would build a race car designed for whatever race they wish to participate in. All of you compare a after market car (SHELBY GT500) to a production car (ZL1) and want to bash it. When Ford builds a production car that's better, let me know. If you want to compare after market cars, lets compare the HPE700 to the Shelby. Don't want to do that huh... why not, is it because we ALL know the answer to that?

I know you are setting up responses to get people banned, but I wont take the bait.


you honestly cannot be serious? This GT500 is a PRODUCTION car.

So much so that there will be probably 2 or 2.5 GT500's built for every ZL1.


"The data also showed how much more consistent our lines and lap times were with the Camaro. In contrast, the Mustang's laps were filled with lots of throttle and steering adjustments, not to mention plenty of slides."

My favorite part about the review was this sentence. The guy basically admitted he was not man enough to drive the GT500. Of course a car with 100 less hp and 100 pounds of tq will be easier to drive.

This is why magazines are not worth reading anymore. Like the NFL they have millions of people watching them see the play in slow motion time after time and they still make the wrong call.

[Erik@Torq]

Originally Posted by Van@RevanRacing

Erik

After one of my Time Trial sessions I reported to impound and got put on the scales.

Like you, very little fuel. Less than 1/4 tank of gas and indicator said 42 miles to empty.

3,992 with driver. I weigh 450 lbs......... JK, I weigh 180.

Here's a snap shot of the scales.

Damn, she is still heavy but still relatively light compared to my ZL1! That puts you around 3812lbs (give or take on what you had for lunch on the race day). Were you running 19's or 18's?

I am about 160lbs so with some gas I am pushing 4200lbs

Originally Posted by Van@RevanRacing

Which course are they running?

The interior road course or the Grand Am circuit?

Van

Inner course, they usually let the advanced group run the Grand Am circuit with turn 3/4 but I don't think they are doing it this time. Personally I prefer the inner course as it's more fun plus I have had a tire blow out on me in a banking and that is not something I want to happen again... there is only one way to go when something happens in a banking...up!

Originally Posted by Mr T

Interesting, the F/R weight bias for the ZL1 is 52.9/47.2 while the GT500 is 57/43 (but also includes the driver, think that puts a little more in the front perhaps) but the 57/43 is close...

The IRS and diff in the Camaro is heavier than the SRA in the Mustang, so that probably is one of the reasons for the different bias.

/Erik

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by collins motorsport

Do you even have a dog in this fight? This is ZL1 vs Shelby not STI vs Evo here.

Oh, I'm sorry let me remove the sti vs evo discussion from my post. . . oh wait.

[Van@RevanRacing]

Originally Posted by Erik@Torq

Were you running 19's or 18's?

I am about 160lbs so with some gas I am pushing 4200lbs

Inner course, they usually let the advanced group run the Grand Am circuit with turn 3/4 but I don't think they are doing it this time. Personally I prefer the inner course as it's more fun plus I have had a tire blow out on me in a banking and that is not something I want to happen again... there is only one way to go when something happens in a banking...up!


/Erik

Are they turning on AMB Transponder recording for the Advanced Group? I might be able to make it down and run Saturday at Homestead.

I was running the OEM wheels and tires. 19's up front and 20's in the rear.

Been awhile since I ran the interior course at Homestead but what they heck.

If I do go I need to get a hold of Henry as the Instructors are closed out.

Do you instruct too?

Van