Defending a ticket for AAC "Amber" LEDs - Page 2 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

kalimus · 07-18-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Falundir

For instance, by this documentation blue is legal up front, however they will get you for impersonation of a police officer

I've been looking for this in the VC for quite some time. But I can find nothing to suggest they can actually nail you for that. I can find VC 27 (Impersonation of Patrol Member): "Any person who without authority impersonates, or wears the badge of, a member of the California Highway Patrol with intention to deceive anyone is guilty of a misdemeanor"

VC 30 says that "emergency vehicles engaged in police, fire and lifesaving services" will use red flashing lights, I would also think that would put blue out of the picture as well. Plus my Camaro doesn't look like a Crown Vic. Plus the halos won't (yeah I know they can) be flashing. AND I would have to have the intention to deceive (note that VC 27 has "with intention to deceive" rather than "and/or attention to deceive").

Am I totally off my rocker on this one, or am I completely missing something?

blake-b · 07-18-2012, 09:35 AM

Nice work (and I am a cop)! You misspelled sergeant in the executive summary.

IamJacksCamaro · 07-18-2012, 12:05 PM

Thanks for posting, you've done a good service for the community!

SC2150 · 07-18-2012, 12:44 PM

Good job for sure.

I Alaska up until a year or so ago they were still writing tickets for DRL's that had any amber shwoing even though it was a Fedral directive that all newer cars have DRL's on anytime the car was in drive........it takes a little common sense as most LEO's have, but there are always bad apples anywhere.

Chase real crime and obvious violations saves all $ and bad feelings.

Falundir · 07-18-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kalimus

I've been looking for this in the VC for quite some time. But I can find nothing to suggest they can actually nail you for that. I can find VC 27 (Impersonation of Patrol Member): "Any person who without authority impersonates, or wears the badge of, a member of the California Highway Patrol with intention to deceive anyone is guilty of a misdemeanor"

VC 30 says that "emergency vehicles engaged in police, fire and lifesaving services" will use red flashing lights, I would also think that would put blue out of the picture as well. Plus my Camaro doesn't look like a Crown Vic. Plus the halos won't (yeah I know they can) be flashing. AND I would have to have the intention to deceive (note that VC 27 has "with intention to deceive" rather than "and/or attention to deceive").

Am I totally off my rocker on this one, or am I completely missing something?

By the letter of the law, I cannot find anything as well that they could get you for. By the letter of the law.

However, keep in mind that law in this country is open to interpretation, and an officer is expected to use their best judgement. With so many laws it's very difficult for an officer to know everything, so they are not expected to by the court, which allows them to make judgement calls. This enables them to still cite you for impersonation, or a lesser charge, and you now have the burden of proving your innocence.

It always pays to be respectful to the officer you are dealing with for many reasons. However there is a saying in law enforcement - "You may beat the charge but you won't beat the ride".

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Originally Posted by blake-b

Nice work (and I am a cop)! You misspelled sergeant in the executive summary.

Thank you, and for the funny part that is how it is spelled on his business card... so I just put it as it was. However, my wife kept picking on me for spelling Fremont wrong...

Shuffler · 07-18-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SSFury

Green... not so legal. Amber.. is the only color allowed up front, besides white.

In Texas you'd be wrong.

Shuffler · 07-18-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Falundir

However, keep in mind that law in this country is open to interpretation, and an officer is expected to use their best judgement. With so many laws it's very difficult for an officer to know everything, so they are not expected to by the court, which allows them to make judgement calls. This enables them to still cite you for impersonation, or a lesser charge, and you now have the burden of proving your innocence.

Actually it is still the burden of the officer to prove your guilt. One is still innocent till proven guilty.

We have a DPS Officer in the club and he runs blue halos all the time. He was pulled over once for them and explained to the officer that they are not illegal in the state of Texas.

Falundir · 07-18-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shuffler

Actually it is still the burden of the officer to prove your guilt. One is still innocent till proven guilty.

We have a DPS Officer in the club and he runs blue halos all the time. He was pulled over once for them and explained to the officer that they are not illegal in the state of Texas.

Correct the officer has to prove your guilt, but can cite you either way. You still have to jump through your own hoops in your defense however =)

Sickwitit · 07-18-2012, 10:20 PM

Now this is one hell of a mod (Legel Documents)...the best mod I have every seen... thank a million to the OP...!

GunnyG · 07-18-2012, 10:31 PM

BEAUTIFUL!!! SIMPLY MARVELOUS!!! What I did was just tell the judge straight out, I didn't change a thing with my side markers. He looked confused, at first, then sent me to a sheriff's office downstairs from the court. The OC Sheriff Deputy looked at the lights, and saw they were amber. Signed the ticket off, and I had to pay the court fees. They got $25 out of me somehow, though. Falundir...great job!!!

GunnyG · 08-04-2012, 12:40 AM

Chris....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I just got another ticket for red side markers here in Oceanside. Cap was a dick, and I was one right back to him. He wrote it as correctable, so I might just have my brother sign it off and be done with it, or I might go to court and be an asshole. He wrote it for CA Veh Code 25109, which is Running Lamps actually. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Arbgast · 08-04-2012, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GunnyG

Chris....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I just got another ticket for red side markers here in Oceanside. Cap was a dick, and I was one right back to him. He wrote it as correctable, so I might just have my brother sign it off and be done with it, or I might go to court and be an asshole. He wrote it for CA Veh Code 25109, which is Running Lamps actually. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

So sick of hearing, we need more taxes for police. There is just to many camaros out there with red side markers.LOL

GunnyG · 08-04-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Arbgast

So sick of hearing, we need more taxes for police. There is just to many camaros out there with red side markers.LOL

I'd agree, if mine were "red". I'm just gonna use Chris' docs as my own and show how they meet the standard for "amber". LoL...stay tuned in case I need bail money. LoL

SSmokinHot! · 08-04-2012, 08:14 AM

Thanks man that is awesome. I will be keeping a copy in my car when I get mine. I am married to a police officer and he was impressed.

07-18-2012, 10:31 PM	#24
GunnyG Da WHALE Drives: 2014 Stingray, 2015 Panamera 4 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Oceanside, Ca - Originally from KCMO Posts: 8,867 View My Garage	BEAUTIFUL!!! SIMPLY MARVELOUS!!! What I did was just tell the judge straight out, I didn't change a thing with my side markers. He looked confused, at first, then sent me to a sheriff's office downstairs from the court. The OC Sheriff Deputy looked at the lights, and saw they were amber. Signed the ticket off, and I had to pay the court fees. They got $25 out of me somehow, though. Falundir...great job!!! __________________ Project MantaRay...Underway

08-04-2012, 12:40 AM	#25
GunnyG Da WHALE Drives: 2014 Stingray, 2015 Panamera 4 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Oceanside, Ca - Originally from KCMO Posts: 8,867 View My Garage	Chris....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I just got another ticket for red side markers here in Oceanside. Cap was a dick, and I was one right back to him. He wrote it as correctable, so I might just have my brother sign it off and be done with it, or I might go to court and be an asshole. He wrote it for CA Veh Code 25109, which is Running Lamps actually. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL __________________ Project MantaRay...Underway

07-18-2012, 09:35 AM	#16
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	Nice work (and I am a cop)! You misspelled sergeant in the executive summary.

07-18-2012, 12:05 PM	#17
IamJacksCamaro Drives: Camaro LS M6, Fiero, Ford F100 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ohio Posts: 638	Thanks for posting, you've done a good service for the community!

07-18-2012, 12:44 PM	#18
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Good job for sure. I Alaska up until a year or so ago they were still writing tickets for DRL's that had any amber shwoing even though it was a Fedral directive that all newer cars have DRL's on anytime the car was in drive........it takes a little common sense as most LEO's have, but there are always bad apples anywhere. Chase real crime and obvious violations saves all $ and bad feelings.

07-18-2012, 10:20 PM	#23
Sickwitit Drives: Fast, Faster, and O My God...! Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New Jersey Posts: 323	Now this is one hell of a mod (Legel Documents)...the best mod I have every seen... thank a million to the OP...!

08-04-2012, 08:14 AM	#28
SSmokinHot! I go topleSS! Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Alabama Posts: 290	Thanks man that is awesome. I will be keeping a copy in my car when I get mine. I am married to a police officer and he was impressed.