Shno's House of Z

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well I think we are up against a youth that really has very little passion for things automotive. Although the auto industry is actually one of THE most hi tech industries on the planet, it is, I fear, only looked on as a archaic smoke stack industry. No one realizes that your average car today not only has to work with your iphone/smart phone, but has to do so safely, meeting incrediblely difficult emission standards and last for many more years than the average ipod or electronic device today ever will.

Plus cars are becoming increasingly more expensive. It is a stretch to buy a $30,000 Camaro for most people under 25. But they can all afford a smart phone and lap top.

How do we fix that? I don't know.

I do know we had fun looking at the cars last night at the cruise and there were a lot of young people there as well. So maybe not all is lost.

Cars are more expensive because people demand that they have ever imaginable technology packed into them. GPS, touch screen radios, cameras, electric adjustable heated seats and on and on. That adds costs and complexity.

Another problem is the whole green movement makes V8 cars out to be some threat to society.

[htron50]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The trick is stirring their emotions and intellect. Another reason it's sad to hear that the V8 is on its way out.

A few long decades of auto lassitude have been handed to us before....it could be on the verge of repeating. I can only imagine ... even if GM relegates the V8 to trucks and Corvette only, that the V6 will be so high tech that it will deliver as part of a great package. But it still needs to be fast, and it needs to be noisy!

I want to see a Z/28 ASAP. The 1LE is a good hors d'oeuvre, but no substitute for the main course.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And here my friends is what we are up against as car enthusiasts................


http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...303/1148/rss25

The wired culture is certainly part of the youth buyer gap, but I believe it is the lack of jobs and low wages are at the core of this. When the kids return home because they can't afford to live on their own a new car is low on the priority list. At the FEST there were quite a few 5th Gen owners that fall into the demographic from the article. The MVP of the Autocross is only 17. If and when we fix the economy, there will be greater demand IMHO.

The flip side is geographic. A few years ago we moved from a rural population to a city population a few years back. If I lived on Lakeshore Drive in Chicago I am sure I would still have a hot rod. I am not so sure my kids would need or want one. The cost of parking and insurance amount to a small fortune. Their friends from school would live in the city. The need for a car is marginal. We live in small town Texas. The kids in this area can't wait to get a car. The top two choices are a truck or some type of performance car. What 16 year old would not want a CTS-V when they get a license or a Camaro or Mustang. It was culture shock when I first started checking out the HS parking lots. It is four or five full size pickup trucks to a car.

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by Number 3

BTW how long before we are simply dropped to the Members Area?

...any day now, any daaay....<jesting of course and staying cautiously optomistic> ) I hope and pray we still have some relevance moving forward.

[OldScoolCamaro]

....sidenote, I saw a news item on cable, something about the GM marketing was not bringing in buyers with the current media sales approach and they were going to change the marketing sales pitch. Sales have slumped. IMHO going back to the sales pitch of baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet is only going to bring back into the fold older buyers who can remember that bygone era. The marketing needs to get more advanced. A comparision, we have seen sooo many posters who have challenged the signficance of the Z/28 moniker as if it were comic relief.

[2cnd chance]

Interesting. Anyone (Pete) your thoughts?

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243878

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Interseting. Anyone (Pete) your thoughts?

http://camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243878

$6K Cheaper
Faster Laps
More Composed

And the winner is the Mustang because they like to slide the axx end of a car around the track and the open ILLEGAL for street use exhaust is louder

The Chevrolet Camaro is too smooth, too refined and too fast to be appreciated by Automobile They also labor under the false impression that the improved turn in, cornering and balance are the result of the tire selection. Obviously the new sway bars and litany of other improvements had nothing to do with the results Ford's failure to recognize that the wheel and tire combination is wrong on the Mustang year after year, the sway bar bias is still wrong and the rear front control arm bushes are mush get props from Automobile when the front pushes and the rear end slide

I know what we can get out of a well setup Mustang and Camaro. They are dead heats. Chevrolet has made significant upgrades to the 5th Gen resulting in better handling cars each year. Ford adds RWHP. The more power Ford adds while failing to address the suspension, wheels and tires the more pronounced the handling defects become. Hand me a GT500 with 650 ponies and I'll hand you back a seriously bad axx Ford. Here is what it would take.

1. Pedders coilovers with camber plates
2. Pedders rear front lower control arm bushes
3. Pedders lower front chassis brace
4. Pedders rear chassis brace
5. Pedders rear panhard bar
6. Six pot fronts with 15 1/4 rotors
7. Pedders special track compound brakes
8. Rudimentary front brake ducts
9. 19x10.5 Forgeline Pedders special offset wheels
10. Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19s all around

Of course there are improvements to be had with the ZL1, but the ZL1 is so much closer to being optimized than the GT500 they won't have as much impact.

[woodside783]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And here my friends is what we are up against as car enthusiasts................


http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...303/1148/rss25

If u get ride of the stuff u don't need. you can get the stuff u want

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

$6K Cheaper
Faster Laps
More Composed

And the winner is the Mustang because they like to slide the axx end of a car around the track and the open ILLEGAL for street use exhaust is louder

The Chevrolet Camaro is too smooth, too refined and too fast to be appreciated by Automobile They also labor under the false impression that the improved turn in, cornering and balance are the result of the tire selection. Obviously the new sway bars and litany of other improvements had nothing to do with the results Ford's failure to recognize that the wheel and tire combination is wrong on the Mustang year after year, the sway bar bias is still wrong and the rear front control arm bushes are mush get props from Automobile when the front pushes and the rear end slide

I know what we can get out of a well setup Mustang and Camaro. They are dead heats. Chevrolet has made significant upgrades to the 5th Gen resulting in better handling cars each year. Ford adds RWHP. The more power Ford adds while failing to address the suspension, wheels and tires the more pronounced the handling defects become. Hand me a GT500 with 650 ponies and I'll hand you back a seriously bad axx Ford. Here is what it would take.

1. Pedders coilovers with camber plates
2. Pedders rear front lower control arm bushes
3. Pedders lower front chassis brace
4. Pedders rear chassis brace
5. Pedders rear panhard bar
6. Six pot fronts with 15 1/4 rotors
7. Pedders special track compound brakes
8. Rudimentary front brake ducts
9. 19x10.5 Forgeline Pedders special offset wheels
10. Bridgestone RE-11 305/30/19s all around

Of course there are improvements to be had with the ZL1, but the ZL1 is so much closer to being optimized than the GT500 they won't have as much impact.

Gotta love it! My favorite is that they mention it's lighter on the front of the Camaro than a ZL1, but they don't like the lightness???

Oh and don't be passing around that information on how to rectify the Mustangs issues. We don't want it getting into the wrong hands.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Gotta love it! My favorite is that they mention it's lighter on the front of the Camaro than a ZL1, but they don't like the lightness???

Only when the Ford is lighter, then it is good

The Mustang is not a bad car. It is a car that responds really well to key braces, suspension tweaks and setup and it needs them BAD.

The 5th Gen requires no braces, but it does respond exceptionally well to suspension upgrades. At C5FEST the fastest Camaros at the CamaroCross were on Pedders. The fastest IRS Camaros at the drag strip on Lingenfelter Drag Coilovers by Pedders (available exclusively from Lingenfelter)and Pedders Supercars.

Just sayin....

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Only when the Ford is lighter, then it is good

The Mustang is not a bad car. It is a car that responds really well to key braces, suspension tweaks and setup and it needs them BAD.

The 5th Gen requires no braces, but it does respond exceptionally well to suspension upgrades. At C5FEST the fastest Camaros at the CamaroCross were on Pedders. The fastest IRS Camaros at the drag strip on Lingenfelter Drag Coilovers by Pedders (available exclusively from Lingenfelter)and Pedders Supercars.

Just sayin....

I'm sold! Just give me an LS7 based 1LE. Oh and don't spare the Pedders.

[JusticePete]

I just posted in the PWA section. It was a customer service post. Do I get a pass or am I now a Post Whore?

[2cnd chance]

What are you feelin'?

[Fightinfire921]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

I just posted in the PWA section. It was a customer service post. Do I get a pass or am I now a Post Whore?

10,000 plus posts, what do you think?

Stay out of that place it's like the playground of C5.