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c4maroboy · 08-17-2012, 01:08 PM

sweet vids!

2cnd chance · 08-17-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

Lamborghini? don't make me laugh...

You must have missed what Top Gear UK had to say about it, and the Stig's time on their track was "over the top" impressive.

2cnd chance · 08-17-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by armysig

Right off the bat the ZL-1 is going to be dinged hard, and it's because of the current complaints about it.

Visability issues
It's heavy
Seats need race application improvements
Sloppy transmission (M6) Not as refined as a $100k plus vehicle's
Ackward cup holder placement
Bland/cookie cutter interior

Now some of the things that are possitive for the ZL-1

Price
aerodynamic improvements/upgrades
580HP/556tq
Magnetic ride
Launch control
PTM (great for the novice/beginner racer)
Suade interior
Heads up display
race application warranty

The ZL-1 does make a great car for having fun in Mountian roads and canyons, with the ability to go to the track with minamal adjustments to make it race ready for the casual/weekend warrior.

The ZL-1 has it's flaws, but as most camaro owners have noticed they over come them fast and enjoy a great car that brings a smile to almost everyone.

My prediction, I think the ZL-1 will be in the top 4 with the GT500 equal or just behind it. Both cars appeal to their prospective market targets.

[*]Ackward cup holder placement[*]Bland/cookie cutter interior
These items have nothing to do with It's being considered a "Driver's Car". Because of what we've heard from other reviews I believe it will do decently even in this group. Add in the price factor and it may win. The GT500 will be at the bottom for the "same issues" we've heard of. This all is based on the fact that they are really centering everthing off the cars being "Driver's Cars".

*radz28* · 08-17-2012, 01:55 PM

SWEET

shaffe · 08-17-2012, 02:39 PM

I will not be surprised at all if the GT500 is in the bottom of the test and the ZL1 is at the top.

2012ZL1 · 08-17-2012, 02:50 PM

ZL1 will be up there. It pretty much IS the driver car. If its bang for the buck then its hands down the winner..

2012ZL1 · 08-17-2012, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armysig

Right off the bat the ZL-1 is going to be dinged hard, and it's because of the current complaints about it.

Visability issues
It's heavy
Seats need race application improvements
Sloppy transmission (M6) Not as refined as a $100k plus vehicle's
Ackward cup holder placement
Bland/cookie cutter interior

Now some of the things that are possitive for the ZL-1

Price
aerodynamic improvements/upgrades
580HP/556tq
Magnetic ride
Launch control
PTM (great for the novice/beginner racer)
Suade interior
Heads up display
race application warranty

The ZL-1 does make a great car for having fun in Mountian roads and canyons, with the ability to go to the track with minamal adjustments to make it race ready for the casual/weekend warrior.

The ZL-1 has it's flaws, but as most camaro owners have noticed they over come them fast and enjoy a great car that brings a smile to almost everyone.

My prediction, I think the ZL-1 will be in the top 4 with the GT500 equal or just behind it. Both cars appeal to their prospective market targets.

Cup holders are dumb, but I doubt that will be part of the test, Visibilty is hard to come by in any of these cars, M6 doesn't seem sloppy to me, The interior doesn't strike me as bland..not sure what else you'd want in there except mybe a roll cage. Seats are heavy and could be improved on for sure, but I've sat in worse. If your ass is small they aren't too bad.
Yes its ridiculously heavy for its size, I still can't get a grasp on why.

The IOM Ninja · 08-17-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

ZL1 will be up there. It pretty much IS the driver car. If its bang for the buck then its hands down the winner..

Saying the ZL1 is a drivers car is like saying the GT-R is a drivers car. They are both way too over loaded with nannies to be drivers cars.

kenkartasasmita · 08-17-2012, 03:18 PM

Awesome

Sajonf · 08-17-2012, 03:21 PM

I think you will all be surprised at how well the BRZ does. I just got it's twin for a daily driver (Scion FR-S) and it's a hoot to drive. Unbelievable road feel and telepathic handling with the ability to power slide/drift with incredible control. If the test were for fastest laps it would be at the bottom of the list but it will fare well in the Best Driver's Car test.

2cnd chance · 08-17-2012, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Saying the ZL1 is a drivers car is like saying the GT-R is a drivers car. They are both way too over loaded with nannies to be drivers cars.

All the cars I see pictured here are heavy on electronics. If you don't like it turn them off. But I bet you'd be a better driver with them.

The IOM Ninja · 08-17-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

All the cars I see pictured here are heavy on electronics. If you don't like it turn them off. But I bet you'd be a better driver with them.

Funny, I thought this comparison was about the best drivers car. Not the best self driving car. Saying you're better driver with the nannies on is like saying you're a better singer because you use autotune. It just disguises how good/bad you actually are.

GearBangr · 08-17-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Funny, I thought this comparison was about the best drivers car. Not the best self driving car. Saying you're better driver with the nannies on is like saying you're a better singer because you use autotune. It just disguises how good/bad you actually are.

So no cars with auto trans either?

Also where's the vettes and cadillacs?

C5RocksC5 · 08-17-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

[*]Ackward cup holder placement[*]Bland/cookie cutter interior
These items have nothing to do with It's being considered a "Driver's Car". Because of what we've heard from other reviews I believe it will do decently even in this group. Add in the price factor and it may win. The GT500 will be at the bottom for the "same issues" we've heard of. This all is based on the fact that they are really centering everthing off the cars being "Driver's Cars".

You're now arguing in the opposite of your previous arguments that the ZL1 was superior to the GT500 because it won mostly on comfort and driver friendliness despite the Shelby having better performance numbers for the most part. Just saying.

08-17-2012, 01:08 PM	#15
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08-17-2012, 01:55 PM	#18
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08-17-2012, 02:50 PM	#20
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	ZL1 will be up there. It pretty much IS the driver car. If its bang for the buck then its hands down the winner.. __________________ 2012 ZL1 2.55 upper, 10" lower pullies, Innovators west billet hub and sfi balancer, solid blower drive isolator, 50 mm idler kit, full length S/S headers no cats, comp cams custom grind cam, comp roller rocker trunion kit, comp push rods,dual valve springs retainers and locks, Injector dynamics ID850 inectors, Rotofab ZL1 cold air kit, Lingenfelter 160 thermostat, Rotofab intercooler reservoir, stock plugs, LS7 90mm throttle body, GTO clutch reservoir mod, my own custom catch can, Tuning by Jannetty, install by me.

08-17-2012, 02:39 PM	#19
shaffe Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Carol Stream Posts: 6,038	I will not be surprised at all if the GT500 is in the bottom of the test and the ZL1 is at the top.

08-17-2012, 03:21 PM	#24
Sajonf Drives: 2014 Corvette Stingray Z51 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 108	I think you will all be surprised at how well the BRZ does. I just got it's twin for a daily driver (Scion FR-S) and it's a hoot to drive. Unbelievable road feel and telepathic handling with the ability to power slide/drift with incredible control. If the test were for fastest laps it would be at the bottom of the list but it will fare well in the Best Driver's Car test.