rear end gear change and nitrous: smell of desperation : gt 500

[Monsterpost]

Originally Posted by christianchevell

Oh gee page one was nice then I did not notice the bunch of Ford fans on the next page....Oh my they need to get a life and a less expensive car because dollar for dollar yes the zl1 will whoop on the gt 500....And yes of course he with the most money to spend more money and therefore can win if built right. And my last post was for the nice chevy guys.....not his latest group...someone say send in the clowns?

[101fng]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

Reliability and streetability absolutely plays a part in the game. Sorry, but one pass in the 9's is not worthy of mentioning if it cannot maintain for a reasonable time frame. Also when comparing builders, who cares who gets there first. When comparing times apples to apples, I and I assume many others would pay a large premium to have the reliability and streetability vs. not. Running 9's on the stock driveline and stock suspension without NOS is pretty darn amazing. Running 9's with rebuilt suspension, NOS and 20lbs of boost at the cost of streetability is respectable at most.

Oh I agree 110% my friend. However, to me, I think it's unreasonable to expect a solid 9 second car to be streetable in a conventional sense. Repeatable, sure, but "streetable," no. And like I said before, these 9 second runs are for publicity. Open any mustang magazine from the past 6 years (which most here will not do lol) and it won't take much searching to find a JPC, Lethal or Evo advertisement claiming "First XXX Mustang into the 11's, 10's, 9's, etc" or a variation of that. These shops are expecting to grenade a motor or two for the sake of being able to claim "First." But don't take that to mean that the cars or shops can't handle the power it takes to run those times because they certainly can. These particular shops are sacrificing reliability so that they can make quick easy power and get that "First Into #'s" title. Sure, if it was my car, or anyone else's private commuter car, we'd probably go about making power a little differently.

[derklug]

Damn, I really need to get me one of them there medical mary-jiawanna cards.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by 101fng

Oh I agree 110% my friend. However, to me, I think it's unreasonable to expect a solid 9 second car to be streetable in a conventional sense. Repeatable, sure, but "streetable," no. And like I said before, these 9 second runs are for publicity. Open any mustang magazine from the past 6 years (which most here will not do lol) and it won't take much searching to find a JPC, Lethal or Evo advertisement claiming "First XXX Mustang into the 11's, 10's, 9's, etc" or a variation of that. These shops are expecting to grenade a motor or two for the sake of being able to claim "First." But don't take that to mean that the cars or shops can't handle the power it takes to run those times because they certainly can. These particular shops are sacrificing reliability so that they can make quick easy power and get that "First Into #'s" title. Sure, if it was my car, or anyone else's private commuter car, we'd probably go about making power a little differently.

That is true, I do remember the performance shops all racing to be the first to get the ZL1 in the 9's back in April/May. However it seems they all did so while maintaining the ZL1's integrity and street ability by keeping the suspension and driveline stock. These 9 second ZL1's can still be taken to the road course and drivin on the street thanks to the active mag suspension system, stock gearing, and solid chassis. This dosent seem to be the case after reading what has been done to the GT500 to make it a 9 sec car (rear end gearing change, suspension mods geared towards drag racing, very high boost, Removing seats, NOS).

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by 69NMYSS

That is true, I do remember the performance shops all racing to be the first to get the ZL1 in the 9's back in April/May. However it seems they all did so while maintaining the ZL1's integrity and street ability by keeping the suspension and driveline stock. These 9 second ZL1's can still be taken to the road course and drivin on the street thanks to the active mag suspension system, stock gearing, and solid chassis. This dosent seem to be the case after reading what has been done to the GT500 to make it a 9 sec car (rear end gearing change, suspension mods geared towards drag racing, very high boost, Removing seats, NOS).

Search the write up on the Livernois car. It was set on kill. They were gonna go 9's or blow it up trying. That's hardly a tune worthy of long term durability.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by ZZZ

This thread is retarded run stock 11.5s without drag radials and the Camaro 5 forum ass grabbing you with "thought that counts bullshit than get at me"

The GT500 Evo made can run 9s for around 10k with no nitrous or gear swaps how do I know? Because after I made the thread asking about a ZL1 vs a CTSV I started seriously researching the tuning capability of the new GT500 and was pleased. Chances are I will trade in for it next year if I can order one around late Fall still.

The only challenge will be finding a way to mod it both in the 9s while adding changes that allow its weight advantage to beat the ZL1 around the turns.

I think you forgot that in order for them to go 9's they had to remove 3 seats add full drag suspension and brakes front and rear. Getting it to run 9's while being able to handle and brake like stock will be really hard when comparing it the zl1 unless you want to spray but even that car had to have aller brakes do yet again another snag. It will get real interesting when someone does cams head work and a bigger blower(without blowing it up like evolution did) and run 9's without spray or smaller brakes.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Search the write up on the Livernois car. It was set on kill. They were gonna go 9's or blow it up trying. That's hardly a tune worthy of long term durability.

True but they all had that same attitude not just livernois. Plus let's not forget there not going to street drive any of those cars with the "kill" tune loaded and by doing so the street tune on pump gas will be just fine.

[Supercharged SS]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

True but they all had that same attitude not just livernois. Plus let's not forget there not going to street drive any of those cars with the "kill" tune loaded and by doing so the street tune on pump gas will be just fine.

I agree 100%. It was a do or die mentality with everyone. I just mentioned Livernois because I remember them coming out and saying that.

[Bob Cosby]

This thread has stupid written all over it. From the OP onward. Another reason that C5 has the reputation it does on other forums.

[wesmantooth]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

True but they all had that same attitude not just livernois. Plus let's not forget there not going to street drive any of those cars with the "kill" tune loaded and by doing so the street tune on pump gas will be just fine.

i street drive with my kill tune. also with slicks and open electric dumps.

[GoldenBear]

Mods,

Since this thread is not a ZL1 specific topic and, therefore, doesn't belong in the ZL1 section, please move this thread the to Chevy Camaro vs ... thread or the General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion thread,

Thank you.

[shaffe]

I still want to know where/why this clown of an OP brought the supersnake and a 200K price tag into the discussion

[daveagogo1]

Is it just me or would anyone else consider changing an exhaust and gears to be far simpler than changing out the cam??? Sorry OP i gotta say no way on that one.

[69NMYSS]

Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Search the write up on the Livernois car. It was set on kill. They were gonna go 9's or blow it up trying. That's hardly a tune worthy of long term durability.

Sorry but the Livernois packages that will get you into 9's do so without compromising driveability or reliability. They are doing so without touching the driveline, gearing, suspension, no spray, and moderate boost. Also, they are not removing seats